You're listening to the Hour of the Time. I'm William Cooper. Ladies and gentlemen, today I want you all to listen very, very closely. For what you're going to hear is a videotape made inside Mount Carmel in Waco, Texas, sometime between the initial raid by the forces of the United States government, which included the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, the FBI, military, National Guard, helicoptered gunships, tanks, armored personnel carriers, units of the British SAS, members of United States Army Special Forces, and even a United States Army psychological warfare team. This videotape was made between February the 28th and the date that the Branch Davidians were all murdered, burned to death, in their church on April the 19th, 1993. The entire tape is two hours long. You're going to hear as much as we can play today. It is the actual testimony of the Branch Davidians. The tape was made to give to the Federal Bureau of Investigation in order that they may see that no one was being held inside against their will. You will hear the testimony of men, women, and children, and at the end of the tape, David Koresh. It will bring tears to your eyes. We call it the last will and testament because all of these people are now dead except for one black woman who was from England and has returned to England. What happened in Waco, Texas, no American ever dreamed could ever happen in this country. It was what we believed only happened in places like the Soviet Union or Communist China or Castros, Cuba, or in third world countries where dictatorships and executions were the norm. The American people were never supposed to see or hear this tape, and while you cannot see the video portion, you can hear the audio very clearly. The tape was given by the Branch Davidians to the negotiators who turned it over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. There are patriots in government, ladies and gentlemen, who made sure that we obtained a copy of this tape. Listen carefully. There's really nothing that I can say that will prepare you for what you're going to hear. These people speak very well for themselves. How long have you been here for a while? Well, yeah, quite some time. It is, okay. What brought you over here? Truth to Seven Seals. I've been a Catholic social all my life. And then I joined Adventist Church, and then from there, you know, I've met two people who have chosen, and I've dug them, and then someone told me about someone who was a leader in the field, which was supposed to be a field, and anyway, that's why I'm here. And I've met David in the field. And here I am. Okay, is there anything else you'd like to share? Well, yes, you know, I'm from London, England, and what happened last Sunday really surprised me. I'm shocked, I'm disgusted, I'm upset about the whole thing, because this is supposed to be the land of freedom, and freedom, the list of police, and, you know, one minute everything's calm, and the next thing is women and children, where I'm staying, and there's a gunshot, and we're hitting the floor, like I have a movie, you know, I didn't hear anybody give up any warning or anything, and I thought, the first thing, I thought, well, this would never happen in England, and that's disgusting, and apart from that, we haven't had any freedom to the press, which is disgusting also. My rights as a British citizen, as well as being in this country, we could have some sort of outlet to the media, so they know what is going on here. Okay. Anything you wanted to add about any other things that you'd like to say to the people that this will go to? By the way, I'm not sure where the case is going. Basically, I'm here on my own free will. I'm not in health hospitals, and we are a big family here. We're very happy. This is my family. Those who do the will of God, my father, are my family. I love those who are my family of the flesh, but until they know the truth about this message, then, you know, I have to put this family first. So you don't choose to leave the place right now? No, no way. This is where I am. This is where my beliefs are. This is where the truth is being left at this time. And, well, we should wait and see what God has in store for the world. So is that what you're doing? Is you're waiting right now? Yes, I'm waiting on God. I mean, this is what the truth is. The world is, this is where existence is forming in the world. I mean, there is no existence outside this vicinity. This is where David is. He is in the ravine in the field, and this is what the world should have been waiting for. And I'm very fortunate to be in this place at this time. Is there anything you'd like to add? I would like to say that I think the American government are very foolish not to listen first to what they have to say, and to come up with something like a big tanker toy, as they have with that big tank, which is outside. To me, it's, I don't want to insult them, but it's really insulting to keep up a big armor equipment with people who are inside it, so it's like women's children. I mean, what are they trying to prove? I am here on my own feet. I am not being dragged away. I think everyone is free what they are. I am very happy. I am living a normal life. Is that it then? Yes, thank you very much. Okay, thank you. We'll stop until we have someone else here. What is your name? My name is Marjorie. Marjorie, where are you from? I live in England. And what brings you here to Waco, Texas, of all places? Well, and... Surely you didn't read about this in some kind of a nice travel brochure. No, I didn't. Oh, boy. I've been an adventist for my life. And I met someone who had been to Waco, who had met someone who was able to reveal revelation and put passages together from different parts of the Bible. I was interested. I was told to come and see, which I did, passing away to America. And when I was showing passages in the Bible, it was my lonely because no one in the churches or these church leaders was able to ask my questions on things that I wanted to know. And in coming over, things were brought to my attention. I could see things more clearly. It was a shocker for someone to show you something which you've been looking for all your life. But then again, it was also nice to know that you found someone who could reveal these things. Okay. It sounds kind of strange, I'm sure, to most people who even hear something like that. So what have you thought of the events of, just as of recently, some of the things that have been taking place, like a week ago with Sunday, for instance? Do you have a reaction to that? Or in response to that also, in relation to that, do you want to make a statement about leaving or staying? Do you want to leave? No, I'm there. My name is very well. So are we holding you? Am I or David or anybody else holding you? No one's holding me. It's my choice to leave here. I decided to leave here. I wanted to leave here. We realize also that man has made boundary lines all over this globe called an earth and has divided it up. But we believe, according to Psalm 50, don't we, that God owns all things? Yes. Okay, so again, you want to be here then? You're here on your own free will? Do you want to add anything to that, Marge? Well, the incident which happened last week Sunday was a shock. And when you see these things on the television, you can walk away from it. But when you're actually on the scene when an incident happens, it's frightening to know one minute you're looking out of the window through three helicopters and the next minute you hear firing and you're on the floor with windshields flying all over your head. It's frightening and also having tanks around the building which I think this is necessary. Okay. Anything, if this is to go back to Britain, this paper, any parts of it into the press, is there anything else you might want to add or to say? This is my family, my friends, and a main friend, a new friend, that's all I've been making, and that I am fine as this is free, because of my own free will, I am happy with the people who I am with, that's good to see. What I'd like to say about this press is some of the things that they are hearing are not the truth. And I hope with this figure being made that some things that are about to happen that people will see and know the truth. Okay. Did you want to add anything else? Or is that about it? Okay. Thank you, Marge. Thank you. Sure, now that wants to share a few things and we'll put her on. And what is your name? My name is Judy Schneider-Corez. This is my daughter, Miner. And as you can see, I was wounded when the ATF came in and assaulted us. I was quite surprised to see our government act the way it did and that David went to the door with his hands up and said, don't shoot. There's women and children in here. And yet, they opened fire and fired at everyone here. It's just amazing. I don't really expect anyone to jump on our bandwagon right now and believe what we believe after just hearing a little bit of truth. because I've been in Memphis since 1906-1907 with David and with Lincoln and some of the astounding things. I just think now we need to sit back and see what really is going on in our government. That's the whole thing that we're upset with right now and we're waiting on God for an answer about what we believe. Can I see a close-up of your finger? If you'll hold it, show it me zoom around your finger. Okay, don't move it now. Hold it right there. I will try to see if I can focus it in a little better than what I have at this point in time. Okay. Okay. What happened there with your finger? You were just sitting there? I was told you were nursing the baby or one of the babies or what was it? Yeah, I was just sitting there with my hands sort of like this and bullets were coming in our window. A lot of our clothing was damaged from bullets and I'm glad we weren't more than this. That's some very fast finger you have there. Yeah, it's kind of swollen. I just looked at God and it's on him and he said it's quite dangerous that I could come out and get treatment but I asked him why doesn't he come in here because I don't really trust what they might do out there as far as being a person in the hospital. Were you hurt any other place or did you have any other issues? Right. I was sitting here kind of like I'm not exactly sure it happened so fast but at any rate it went up this finger into my hand and out my shoulder. Okay. What brought you here in the first place to Waco, Texas? Study. Study. Okay. And a question that everybody wants to know. Do you want to leave? Are you being held here against your will? I want to leave when God says go but no, I don't want to go out there on my own without David and everyone else. The rest of my family went. We're all family. So no one's holding you here against your will? No one would be holding anyone. Okay. Were you able to see a video that the agency sent to us showing some of the children that were at their facility wherever they're at? The video we saw today of them running around crazily, eating candy, drinking soda pop, jumping around like well-made masks, watching videos and yeah, we're all quite upset to see our children behave like that because they're always being well-mannered and disciplined and they don't eat candy in between meals and it's only on real estate and it's not good for your teeth or health or anything. So you see that as being a cause of a hyperactivity in children, something they already don't need? I mean, we love the kids. They can't help the way they're being scared for it. I guess that's the only thing that people actually really know to do. Is there anything else you might have to say to the American people or to anybody that's on the outside? Your family maybe? Your friends? Well, I love you mom, of course. You know that. And I love all my family and I just hope everyone doesn't jump to making decisions before they've heard our side because right now all you're hearing is the press. You're hearing a very perverted press. They're not allowed to broadcast live. It has to be taped and it has to be cut out and tamed, stories, all kinds of lies and like the lady holds up a board. This is what the ATF uses. This is what we use. I'm like, wow, I never saw one of those before. But I mean, there's so many lies. So many lies. They change their stories all the time. You just need to trust God. I mean, trust God, read the Bible, know what you're talking about. What are you doing with your life? What do you do every day with your life? Is it something God approves of? I mean, before you judge us, make sure your own life is clean. Would you want your life broadcast from the day you were in high school, what you did, who you went out with? You know, I mean, we're getting stripped naked, so let's make sure when that happens to you, you're ready to leave that. Is there any final comments you'd like to make? I thought that was it. Okay. Well, thanks much. So what about Maya? Does she want to say anything? Hello, your grandma. Grandpa? I'm going to ask you. Wait. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Wait. Okay, thank you. We'll go on to someone else. Ladies with me, and we'll start out by finding out what their names are, and we'll start with the one on the far left, and what is your name? My name is Lisa. How old are you, Lisa? 13. 13. And who's next to you? 10. Abby. And how old are you, Abby? I'm 11. You're 11. And who else do we have here? I'm 13. I'm 13. You're 13, and? I do. I'm 13. And you're 13 also. Of course, as everyone else, we've asked, why are you here? And we'll start again with Lisa. Lisa, what brings you here to Texas? Well, my dad and mom, my dad and mom felt when we were little. When you were young? Yeah, I was young. So you didn't really come here by choice then, per se, did you? No. But now that you're, how old are you again? 13. 13 years old, would you like to leave? No. You don't want to leave? Even though there are always events that have been taking place of the gunfire and the possibility of more, and not knowing what's going on, you still don't want to leave? Are you being held against your will? No. Are you sure? Okay. What about Abby? Abby, what are you doing here? What brought you here? Well, I think I've been down over the night. When you were about five? And have you left since then at all? Have you been, have you gone away to get to visit? Yes, I have. Okay. So, do you want to leave now? If you were given the opportunity to leave now, would you like to leave? Yes. You sure? Yes. Is anyone here holding you against your will? No. No one has. Okay. Is there anything you would like to say to your grandmother on the outside or anyone else? Not really. Okay. And next we have Rachel. Rachel, tell us something about your arriving here. Have you been here for a while? Yes, since I'm five years old. About five? And you've had the opportunity to leave, have you? Well, yeah. I mean, I've always been told if I want to leave, I can leave, but, you know, I've never wanted to. Why not? Well, because, you know, I like it here, I have friends here, and I think there's a truth that, you know, David teaches the seven seals and he can reveal it, and there's no one else so far, you know, that I've heard of that can do that, and so I've just decided to stay here and listen. So then what you're saying is it's because of his ability to open up the Bible, of which we all see that there are almost two billion people in the world that claim to be Christians and claim that that's their foundation also. So you see that he has an ability that some fathers haven't shown, is that what you're saying? I know I'm asking someone of a leading question because I know that you all are a little bit camera shy. What about you, Audrey? What brings you here? I've been here when I was seven years old, and my grandma brought me here, and I was too real to understand these things, but now since I'm getting older, I can understand more, and it's, you know, truth so far I've never heard anybody I tell the truth, you know, I don't know. Okay, like David apparently is what you were thinking, huh? Okay, let's see. So another few questions we've asked everybody. Is there anything you want to say to friends or family or anywhere else? Or do you want to... Okay, I don't want to have anything to say. You don't have anything else to say? Really? Okay, what about you, Audrey, Abby, or Lisa? Anything else you want to say? Hi. Okay, hi. Well, what I don't understand is how, you know, people don't want to listen to the seals and everything because it's so plain and clear that, you know, they just don't want to listen and I don't understand that. So you're wondering why more people are interested in the Bible and being on lock? Is that what you're saying? And to see what's for us for the final days? Okay, I understand. Anything else? I guess that'll do? Okay, well, thank you, girls. Help here, and we'll ask for you to identify yourself. What is your name, please? My name is Lorraine Sylvia. Lorraine Sylvia, do you also have a family here or a partial family, or what can you tell me about that? Yes, I do. I have a daughter here, Hollywood. Okay. And I have my son I sent out. And what is his name? His name is Joshua. So Joshua, have you been able to see anything or hear anything of Joshua as a brief symptom? Well, when the first time came out, we were able to call up that night to come here to ride. And then today I saw a video tape with him. And I was not impressed. Why were you not impressed with the video tape? Well, they had all the children in a room and the kids were all going wild and jumping around and it was like they had no discipline, no correction. And we just don't do that with that case here, you know? Okay. Because they supervised all the time and, you know, after you go into a Bible study, you'll sit for hours quietly and peacefully and when I saw this video, they were acting like wild animals. Okay, so that bothered you then? Okay. Why are you here in the first place? Well, eight years ago David came to my home in Massachusetts and he was presenting Bible studies to my family and I just saw that he had something. He was able to take all the books of the Bible and harmonize them line upon line, precepts upon precepts and it made sense and it was something when you read it yourself, you couldn't see it. But once he showed it to you, it was readily understood there was just no debating it. Okay. Do you have a desire to leave here? No. I don't. And nobody is holding the gun in my head so they can say that. No one's holding you back, keeping you here, threatening you or anything else? God says to wait. I intend to wait. All right. And a lot of people have said that, but what do you mean if God says to wait? Is God talking to you or something? No, God does not talk to me. The book of Revelation shows that God has a book in his hand and he hands that book to someone, hands it to the Lamb. He's the only one who can reveal the book. God does speak to someone and David has shown me a few. David, God says wait. I've trusted in him as long he's proven himself to me. I'm going to wait. Okay, I see. Also, would you have anything you wanted to say to family elsewhere or friends? Would you have any statements to make about the incident that happened that maybe ten days ago? Anything you'd like at all. It doesn't even have to be that. Okay, sir, the incident is just a total outrage. Why is that? I don't know how the American people can stand by and watch such a faint-y plane. We have people out here, we have all these people, women, children, tiny babies, these men came in here and they started firing on us. The boats came through the walls and people were killed and people were injured and this is America. Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to say or add? To my family, I love them. Please take the hospital. Okay. Thank you. We're going to go over here now and we're going to ask if someone else sitting close by here her name and where she's from. My name's Kathy Schroeder. I'm originally from Florida. Okay, you're from Florida. Kathy, what brings you here in the first place? A few years ago I met yourself, Steve Snyder, and my husband and I, we were in Miami, Florida, and we found revealing truth in the Bible that we just could not just receive at all. There was no way. We eventually came and met David Courage and found that he was doing the opening up of these truths and have stayed to listen to everything we could and everything, like Larry said, preach up upon preach up line upon line, her little barilow, the whole Bible, every book of the Bible, tells the same prophets, tells the same things, and I wouldn't know that what not the day we could. Okay, so do you have also any children or where's your family? I have four children, three by an X and one from my layups and my children. They are not here with me right now. The incident happened Sunday that nerve blacked everybody and women and children were in our home just totally shocked with barrage of weaponry fired upon our home. Of course, me and the children all got down. We were all safe. We made it through that original gunfire, but it scared me too much to allow them to stay here. So, my children have been released. They are out. And I found out today that the three that do belong to my ex's children, he has custody of them now. I found that out today. My fourth was turned three Sunday. He's still in state custody as far as I know. I thought they might have a better chance of survival. Physical survival, yes. They have pain frames in our faces. Every day we are worried. There's no telling what the federal agents out there will do based on what they've already done. So, for their physical lives and their well-being, I sent them out. Well, what about your own life and your own physical well-being? Don't you want to be with your children? Yes, I would much rather my children be here with me. But I would not like to be out there because I know that what I'm doing here is for a reason. God said, wait, the God that I believe in, the God that David Christ has shown me, that sits on a throne, that has a book in his hand, free revelations are right there. It's so plain and simple. If you've got somebody to sell it to you, which took me a lot of years to finally find, and once I did, there's no, there's no disagreement at all to say that that's not what's in the book. So you don't, you don't, is anyone holding you here against your will? Only God. Only God. Only God. It's his will and his will be done. Okay. Did you see that videotape of your children today? Yes, I've used that videotape. I was a little disappointed in a couple of my children jumping on couches and making silly faces and just really going crazy. Had they been in my suggestion, had I been with them at this time, they would not have acted so radically. Is that to say they're not allowed to have fun? No, no, my children have fun, but they were quite unsupervised at the time that videotape was. That's not something that you like to see that? No, my children are constantly doing school work when they're with me, they're constantly working and playing well when it's supervised. When it's well supervised, they do a lot of exercise, but not something on couches and tables like I saw my young daughter doing things. Would you like to see this all resolve the situation or maybe back as it was? What are your thoughts about that? What do you mean as it was? About ten days ago, we were all coming together studying the Bible and it was things as usual. Before the ATS got involved. Right. Yes, I would love to see the situation resolve. I would love to have my children back and I would love to have my ability to worship God in the way that I feel I want to worship God, which is our American right. I would love to have that back. But as it stands right now, I can't worship God the way I want to. They're taking that from me. Is there anything else you'd like to say? One more thing I would like to tell the public if they can and find this out, that I am really tired of the lives. I'm really tired of hearing the stories that are related to the public, seeing how we have no press coverage directly from this facility, from our church. We have no one telling the world our side. And I am watching and listening on the radio, watching on the news and forth, the press conference, watching the lives that the federal agencies hold. It's astounding day after day how far they go. And that's just one agency. All the other agencies back there are going to back them up, including our federal government. We, the people, don't run this government anymore. We, the people, don't run this country. They do. And they tell all the lives they want. And I'm just... Do you think all of these men are like they're done from the United City? They're like the Thompson? Sierra, that are trying to do their best on their vantage point? Those that are trying to do their best are trying to do their job. They have a family back home, too. But they don't understand what the students do. And if they did, they would see the job then. Is there anything else you'd like to add? Just that I love my family, and I hope that my ex does try to get constidated my youngest child, Brian. That's very important to me. And that the children know that God does control the situation. No matter what happens, God isn't too slow, and I believe that totally. Okay. Thank you, Kathy. I have someone else here now. May I ask you your name? My name's Teresa. And where are you from, Teresa? I'm from England. You are. What brings you over to America, of all places, here in Texas? Well, about four years ago, I was teaching truth about the Bible. I was wondering why you have a Bible that you don't understand, you know. So I started inquiring, and when they found someone up to talk about this, and they told me someone was coming over from America, and it rearranged being that person, which was peace, this abuse, and we had a study, and it wasn't so good at first, but I continued, and then I found that a few of my questions were being answered, and I continued, and then when I made David correct, he's answered all my questions, and there's no doubt about the truth that we were missing. We were missing before. We met you and David. Okay, so that's what brought you over here to Wayser Text of all places, to hear more. There's been a lot of rumors and statements over the press that you're being held here against your will, and is that true, or what's going to tell you? That's not true. I have made my decision to come here because I have to show the prophecies, and we are looking forward to the truth being received to the world, and that's why we come here to study as much as we can, so that we can also help others in the world to know his truth. Okay, so you have a vision of things better, maybe an eternal vision that you've caught, is that what you're saying? Okay. did you get to see your daughter on the tape that was sent? Yeah, I saw my daughter, I wasn't very happy. Why not? They weren't supervised at all. They were just allowed to do what they liked. They seem to be eating continually and drinking. You don't do that. You mean you're on some kind of a program or a schedule for those things? Every four hours to five hours. And they don't eat and drink Cokes and lots of sweet things, you know, not all the time. They have some now and again, but all those Cokes would make them very happy from jumping about and people realizing what they're doing. Okay, were you happy to have you see your daughter? Did they make an attempt at least to give you an opportunity to teach them? Yeah, I was grateful that they allowed to hear your children because we miss them so much. Okay. Is there anything you'd like to say to friends or family abroad or anywhere else? To my family and friends, I just like to say I'm fine. I know that you're all worried about us. I just like to know that we are fine right now and everything is in the hands of God right now and we are just waiting and going. Whatever happens, you know, it's the way that God wants it to be. Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to add? I'd like to say that if they could, before the children are sent to their families, I'd like them to try to have some more control over them to direct them if they're doing something wrong. Correct them while they're in their care. Okay. That's a final time. Thank you, Teresa. Okay, Teresa? I gave your name, of course. It's better to name I would believe. Yes, I'm really close to here, there, to know me. Okay. And where are you from originally? I'm originally from the Philippines, but I came to the United States in 1963, 58. And you're almost recently up? My home is recently from Hawaii, Hawaii. Okay. And what brings you to Waco, Texas? I was, I didn't come for the truth. I didn't know anything about it. I came with my husband, and I always sat in the bath for two or three years, and as I kept listening to it, it got my ear ringing. It did? So you didn't even come here then, you wanted to know the Bible or the interest in God? No, never. Okay, but now, what about now? Is anyone holding you against your will? Do you want to leave? What is your desire? Nobody's holding my wills or anyone. So you're here by choice still? Yes. You don't want to leave then? No, but I want my kids back to what I saw on that film. I wasn't very happy about it. So you weren't either. I would imagine the same thing that we've been hearing about response to the children. Yes, they haven't been directed, they haven't been the last on the film, they haven't been supervised or anything. I really appreciated giving me that effort to take the teachers and do hearing them, but what I saw, I was more upset than before. Have you learned anything from the Bible about how parents and children should be the relationship and does it seem to work? It works with my kids. They're friends, I'm black, but they're beautiful kids, all of them. In fact, for those that are listening, whoever has children, we've learned from the book, especially the book of Proverbs in the Bible, it's right, how one should be with their children and how there should be a consistency, a constant love and caring shown to the child. One should never get or use the hand on a child. It should always be for hugging and loving and one should always stay with that program so that the child knows and learns exactly what they expect. Is that true? Yes. Is there anything else you might want to add or say to family, friends, or anything else? I want to say to the children, I love you all. I am with you. Remember what we taught you and how you get to eat habits and everything and you are not supposed to eat when eating. That's what? Eating water. Drinking water. Okay. Okay. Anything else? No. I just hopefully that the relatives will inquire for them or the families will go to them whoever we wrote under the paper. Okay. Thank you, teacher. She wanted to have something to say to her children. And to eat all Christian, I love you very much. And the rest of you, Janessa, Natalie, we're the oldest of that group. Behave and take care of those kids. Okay? Love you all. And what might your name be? Yvette. Yvette. And Yvette, where are you from? England. England. As with everyone else who's been asking the same question, what brings you over to Waco, Texas? Long story. Long story. My husband was in college in England. All right. I died by the name of Steve Snyder. I lived in England. He was doing some backstory studies. My husband went to the studies and did out my nose, my head. and I later found out what was going on. When my husband was studying and there was a sense without me and I was pregnant at the time. Possibly in November I think you could have said to require what was going on. Then I got the truth to I accepted the truth and to try to pull the prophecies of the Bible together. So when you think that there had anything to church never showed me. I was there for 10 years. I was seeking truth that nothing to tell me. We had college to be ministers and ministers wise was what had nothing to teach. How far did your husband advance and the college have to agree? Well as far as the world is concerned in advance. As far as God is concerned the state where it was going to return. I was told you had a master's degree? Did he also become a minister for that denomination? Sure did. They wanted to know what he had to say. They started teaching the truth of the Bible which they came to believe. They kicked him out. Do you want to leave here? And are you also being forced against your wealth to stay here keeping you from leaving? Hey listen I care myself as supportive reasons that's all I need. Okay and what about your children where are they right now? My children are out there. Where? Wherever. Okay. Out there in the world because of the event of Sunday the 20th. Three days after myself is full Thursday. Do you miss your children? Well hey I'm a mother. I miss my kids I love them very much. Well they were nice enough to video some of the children as you get to see yours. Yeah and the heart of hair was cut they didn't up him to attack him I was furious that going and Renee looks bad I know she wasn't an athlete with a teacher she was a smile also the treatment of the children on the video was very bad there was even things that there are no miss needs that make them very high proactive they were eating whatever they wanted when they wanted they were struck in front of television as far as I was concerned there was no constructive supervision of the children and the other thing was well basically I was just upset about being a kid I didn't want them out there in the first place I sent them out there because I thought they would die and they shut up and shut up my bedroom and everything else with three children in my room so I said the mother to thank you but thank you don't be better here something can die for you and have my to to thank you to thank you to that to remind the children about the story of Daniel and his three friends in Babylon said that and he said and then they go and remember what happened those guys were taken into Babylon against their will they didn't eat from the table they didn't touch the things wine they ate what they knew God wanted them to eat and God gave them the blessings God worked through those three children and remember God can work for you to you don't forget Revelation 4 or 5 whatever you do ok ok and what is your name that I ask Doris Brandon Doris where are you from England Notre Dame England What brings you over to Waco Texas well I believe I been to church for six years and he said in my bible and he said that the evening church is two different things ok and I was told that there is somebody here to open the Bible and I was very much interested to know so I come over to there and I was amazed for what I can carry the Bible and don know what to it ok and the rumor has gone around over the radio and the airwaves that you're being held against your will do you have a desire to leave would you like to leave no no I I I'm here because I wanted to be here you're here because you wanted to be here so you want to continue to learn of course have you had any disappointments here as of recent time He's got to say because it is very important for people to hear what he's got to say. More than trying to put his word on our feelings. It is not that it will not because he's not doing things that is wrong. He's doing the right. He's trying to pray his soul and introducing them to listen to what he's got to say. Is there anything else you'd like to say to a friend's family abroad or elsewhere? Well, my family in England, don't mourn for me. I'm all right. I'm alive or I'm not dead. I'm serving a true and living God that sits on the throne. And if you do so, you can't die. So, don't mourn. God sits on the throne. Anything else? Okay, thank you. We have over here right next to you. And what is your name? I'm in Sir Richard. And where are you from? Originally I'm from Jamaica, but I reside in Canada, 41. Okay. And what brings you here to Waco, Texas? Well, I was in the hutland church for almost 30 minutes. And I watched the church go down. Down how? Down. See, because down here is down into the trine. The moral and everything has to do with me now. Yes, you're saying it's moral? Yes. Okay. And it's kind of hard. I've been very low. And I cried to God because I said there must be something better than this in religion. So I heard about Luther Koresh, who can hope and the seven seals. And I have been reading Revelation and did not understand. I kept asking about the seals and I was told that Revelation is a closed book and will only be open in the end of time. I look around and I can see, well, if this is not the end of time, I don't know when. So when I heard that he can open the seven seals, I was so happy to be here to listen to him. When I came and heard him on the word, I was convinced that he is a man of God and that he really is the one sent to open the field. That's why I'm here. So you haven't been disappointed from the answer? No. I'm very happy I'm here. Would you like to leave? And are you being held against your will to leave? Oh, no. If I wanted to go, I could have gone a long time. Okay, so no one's holding you against your will to leave? No one's holding me against my will. Okay. Is there anything else you might want to add to family, friends? Do you have any other comments? I would like to tell my family and friends in Canada and also in Jamaica that I'm alive and well and I'm happy. I believe it is the safest place to be on earth right now. I'm here for the word of God for the seventh year. And it is my greatest desire for them to open their eyes, open their ears and listen. And I would be happy if they could be given the opportunity to listen to the sound because it's all a lie. Okay. All a lie. Thank you very much. Okay. This is Barry. This is my senior old son. And your name? Nicole. You're Nicole. And Nikki, where are you from? I'm from Australia. And what brings you to America? Well, I came here to study the seven seals. I came over to Australia and I listened to my whole family in the truth that they left. When you say see people that might be listening, might not understand cliches that religious groups use like truth or seven seals. So you came here to see and understand something which you thought might be the truth. Is that it? Yes. Okay. And have you been disappointed? No, no. I've seen things I haven't seen. So every question I've ever had has been answered. And I've seen the whole book, the Bible open. Every question I've taken to scholars I have not been able to answer. And even before you came to hear David here and sit down and study with him, did you have opportunity to go to any institutions of higher learning before this? I was in a college student at the same time and I do have questions that I do take to some religions and others and could answer my questions. So it was a religious college. Yes, it was. Okay. Do you have any desire to leave here and are you being held against your will to do so if you did? I am not being held against my will. I desire to stand here. I do not want to leave. Thank you. Thank you. Do you have any family friends anywhere? I'd like to say to my mom, my niece. Mom, I've really done understanding. I'm really going to help her since. But the nurse always told me not to grunt. And that's what I'm going to say. In the end, you understand everything. Anything else, Nikki? Okay. Thank you. And what might your name be? And your... Melissa. Yes, Melissa. And, Rose Melissa, you two seem to be the two controversial persons that the agency wanted to know about because they believe that you, Melissa, wanted to leave and you were being kept against your will. Maybe we should get into that first. So, Rose Melissa, what was that all about the other night? Well, Dick, I think I know, the ACS agent's phone here, and he wants me to contact me. And he was speaking to Marissa. And Marissa told me that she dreams on a significant difference. And, you know, I think she's been there and he's confident. And she has to tell me that I'm afraid that she wants to go to a friend of mine. I can hardly hear you. I hope that it comes across on the camera. Is that him? Yes. So, anyway, let's ask the question to Melissa. Melissa, do you want to leave here? No. No. You don't? Are you sure? No. Did you tell Dick on the phone, though, that you would leave if they allowed a Robert Gonzalez? Do you remember that name, Robert Gonzalez? They asked you if David could talk to him. Then they asked you, would you leave then? And what did you say? No. But what about now? Do you want to leave now? No. Are you sure? No. No. No. Is anybody, is your mom holding you against your will right now? No. Are you sure? No. You're positive that you want to stay here. No. No. I don't know what else we can say or how we can ask it, but if you wanted to leave, we would let you leave. Do you think that's true? Yes. Okay. What do you have to say about that, Rose? Um, she says to me earlier that she doesn't want to leave, she doesn't want to leave the news that she wants to leave the country. Okay. Well, I can understand that. Especially in relation to what's all happened here very recently. Um, so why did you come here again in the first place, uh, Rose? Well, it's a long story since I was a friend of three. Yeah, okay. Brief as possible. Well, thanks. A couple of years ago, um, well, I was raised and related to me, and I didn't think I didn't have much of the other. Um, I'm living the virus, and a friend of mine is my home, and he said that it's a long story to me, and I've been disappointed in what I've heard. Okay. Uh, do you want to leave yourself? No. Are you being held against your will? Of course not. Of course not. Okay. Uh, so the reason you stay, then, is what are you, is there some reason why you're staying here, even in the, uh, very, for the very reason that there could be harm to your own person and to your daughter? Why would you even chance something like that? Well, there's no harm here. The reason why I stay here is for someone that's known for this property. The things that happen here, it's in the book. There's no reason to be right. Why haven't you walked out already? What are you waiting for? Okay. Well, the family says, well, the family says, well, it's in the same way, so we can see the events that take and place. Uh, people have a support that's been shown there, so I don't want to be right now. Okay. Okay. Okay. And we also today have another group with us, but I guess it doesn't appear like they're out here, so we'll just wait a moment, just a second. And it appears to be a family. And where is this family from? I'm from England. You're from England. And what is your last name? Henry. Henry. Would you like to give your first name, starting with the young lady to the far left? Your right. Diana. Diana. I'm Phil. I'm Paulina. I'm Stephen. I'm Vanessa. Hello. And what brings you, all the way from England, the nice, lovely home of which I've seen and been in, what brings you to America, to a place called Waco, Texas, or Waco, Waco, Texas? Anybody want to speak first? I've always wanted to know, to understand the Bible, and I wanted to know about the Senate Bill. So, when I met somebody to show me the Senate Bill, I asked my pastors, my ministers. I was a former Sunday Adventist, never determined, and now I've found what I've been looking for. So, you haven't been even slightly disappointed? Not at all. Have you asked the hardest questions that you ever possibly could ask in regards to anything religious? I have, and they couldn't tell me anything. They just kept saying it's wrong, it's wrong, but they couldn't tell me where it was wrong. Have you ever had anybody, or have you ever seen in your experience in the past few years, anybody controverse what this man that you say can do this has? Not at all. I have time to let go. Maybe that he has. Not at all. Okay, the rumor has been that you're being held against your will. Does anyone here want to leave, and are you being held against your will? No, no, no. No way. No way. No way. No way. And what has your choice been? What would you like to do as of leading or staying? I'd like to stay. As long as he's just to stay, I'll stay. And, okay, yeah. I thought I'm concerned. I don't go nowhere. I'm staying right here because I believe that where I am is the best place, and that, you know, we're family here, and, you know, I really like to stay. I know that I'm not going to be able to stay. I would like to stay, too, that I know the people in England, and thought that I was forced into being here, and that is not here at all. This is my own choice. I'd want to stay here. I'd come here, and I'd want to stay here, and this is where I want to be, and I don't want to leave. Okay. This is a life and death situation, and I want to live eternally. And I would like my sisters, my mom, and my friends not to worry about us because they are okay. And I wish them this is revealed that they would listen to, and they would take you. Okay. So this seems to be a very important issue to you is that you're being over here, and you're hearing and seeing the Bible. So you're looking for something other than what the world might understand, to things that you don't see with your physical eyesight. Yes. Okay. Is there anything else anyone would like to say in regards to family, to friends, or about any other issues? Well, I'd like to say that I know that there's a lot of my friends in England who are probably not worried about what I'm doing here. Well, I'll let you know that I'm fine. I feel that I'm going to be all right, and I'll see them again one day. I think I am nervous, so I don't see one day. Do you hold any animosity or anything against anybody anywhere? No, I'm alone. Okay. Anything else you might want to add? I'd like to say I'm held to my grandma. I'd like to tell you not to worry. Um, you know, I'm not held here to hostage or anything. If any of us want to leave, we can just go now to get, you know, you know, you've been back and forth here. Free me. I'd like to tell you not to worry, and that I will choose to... Okay. We've all three more relations. Yeah. Okay. Anything else? I'd just like to say that Mr. Corrigan has been the most intelligent person I've ever met. There's nothing like what the media is talking to do. So you would wish that and would desire that they would even have an open access to being able to ask any kind of question of any subject matter? Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, maybe someday that'll be able to be happening. I don't know. I'd also like to say, um, to my friends that, um, a lot of you know that I've put your descriptions. I know you could show me anything. You know that I've put the ministers. And I'd like to say, um, keep an open ear. You know, when scriptures are, when you're given the opportunity to listen, you can keep an open ear. Anything else? I'd like to say to Mr. Henry that what he's been saying is through Mr. Farrer. But I wish he would listen at this time and that he would find the daily truth in this message. Okay. Is that it? Thank you. Okay, Mr. Torrey. And Ophelia, what brings you here to Waco, Texas? Well, I think I heard about this man that was, uh, shooting the seven to you. And since I was, uh, always looking for some more truth, uh, truth that, uh, the church didn't have. And so you have found him to be able to open up much to you? Yes. Uh, it's been said that you're being held against your will that you're not able to leave. Do you desire to leave or are you being held against your will? I'm, I'm, I have to decide to stay. I don't have, I don't want to go. So you're not being held against your will here? No. Uh, you also mentioned to me a little earlier that you wanted to say something to your son who is not here. And what might that be? Well, good. Uh, I wanted to tell my son that I got his message. And, uh, not to worry because, uh, this thing has to happen. Remember that I talked and I talked to the prophet should have to be fulfilled. And the time has come. Okay. Is there anything else you might want to say to anyone else? Uh, also to my family in Mexico. Uh, they don't have to worry about because they know that he is probably the Mexican school. And I want, I want to send, uh, some, uh, uh, my love to them and, uh, also my mother. And, uh, I want them to read, uh, them. And the book of Nahum? Yeah, the book of Nahum. And, uh, um, um, how about it? John 45. Isaiah 45. Okay. Thank you very much, Ophelia. My name is Derek Lovelock. And where are you from, Derek? I'm from England. What brings you here? Well, I read that a man that can open the book and read the book. The book meaning the Bible? The Bible, yes. Have you been disappointed? No. Have you done any other study of other denominations or religion in the world? Um, I was just going to be there for seven years. What were you before that? Um, that was only reason I'm doing. Okay. Do you want to leave here? No, I don't want to leave here. I feel quite safe here. There's no reason for me to leave. There's someone holding you here against your will? No, nobody holding me against my will. Okay. Uh, also, it's been mentioned that, uh, there's a number that would like to leave here, or would you like to see this resolved peaceably? Yes, I would. And so your hope still is that it will be? Yeah, that is my hope. Have you noticed that to be the tenor and the attitude of those people that are here? Yes. Okay. We have not brought that issue up, so we should bring it up now. Uh, is there anything else you might want to say to family and friends? Do you have anything? I would just like to say, um, I look to my family back in England. And not to worry, um, in the same two times I could have to be. Um, I think this is the end time, and I will probably be being fulfilled as it's written in the Revelation. Okay. Thank you. I'm from LA, and I just want to tell you that, um, I've been involved in tenor and religions, and they're all bogus, and they're all full of it. This is a truth. I know this is a truth. After anybody that knows me, you know that I would be in as something that I didn't think was right. And, um, don't worry about me, because anything's okay. Are you being, real, real quickly, are you being held against your will? No, no, no. I'm Ken Sanobi in Honolulu to get my kids. If you're watching, I want you to have my two daughters, Angelica and Crystal Sanobi. And do you have a phone number you might want to give them again? It's 808-689-4457. Anything else you might want to say? Don't worry about me. We're going to be just fine, so God can control. Okay, thank you, Scott. Thank you. I have a comment here, because we're running out of time here. This is only an hour of tape. This is Steve Schneider that has been filming, by the way. It's probably been quite obvious. The comment is that there are a lot more people that did want to talk. If I would have known that, I would have used a longer tape, so we might check up on this a little later. Many of the men here have not obviously come to the camera and spoken. There are still a number of others. But the overall tenor and the attitude here is that people do not want to leave knowing that it's being held against their will. So we might get into some other subject matters here in another day or two. So we'll be in touch, and we thank you for your patience, and we're trying to work this out with you, and we'll do the best we can. But remember, the God of David Clare said wait, and that's basically what we're doing. We're trying to do not to be against or offend anyone else or to slow down any process, but we do believe in a living God, as Revelation 7 shows. Thank you, and we will pass this on to you. Kathy's back, and you wanted to make one final statement, and you didn't earlier because why? I didn't want to say anything earlier. I didn't have an emotional composure. I want to add one more thing, if I may, and bear with me. Okay, you've got a second. Sunday, my husband was killed by ATSA. I want everyone to know that that was totally against he was just coming home to his family. He didn't kill anybody at all. Okay, we'll pass that on. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. fine gentleman to be. I'd like to share with you some of my family, a theme that, of course, obviously everyone in the world knows something about it. And we just thought we'd kind of break the ice and allow people to see just exactly, you know, what kind of people we have here. I'd like to start off first of all with my oldest son. His name is Cyrus. How old are you? Seven. Say hello to everybody. Hi. Where's Adam? The camera right there. What do you think about all of this thing? No. You don't know? You have faith in God? Yes. Okay. You want to wait to all your friends out there that's been taken to the people on the outside? Yes. What would you like to have if you could have anything right now? What would you like to have? Um, I don't know. You don't know? There's actualizing a motorcycle today? Yes. Huh? Tell me you got a motorcycle. I got a motorcycle. Anyway, there was Jim. Hi, Jim. Hi, Jim. Hello, John. Hello, John. Gary. Gary. Henry. Henry. Henry. John. John. John. There's another John, too. John. John. Hi, Bill. And don't forget Dick. Dick. Dick. Okay. Okay. We'll talk to these people later, okay? Who's your assistant? Huh? Sir. Sir. Okay. You want to come talk a little bit? Yeah. Okay. Are you happy? Yeah. Thanks for the milk, too. Thanks for the milk, too. No. Who thinks the milk? The baby. Okay. Thanks for the milk. Are you happy? Come on, sir. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Here, sir. Show him Daddy's face. You're my love baby, right? Huh? Yeah. You love Daddy? Yeah. You love all your friends on the outside? Want to see them soon? Yeah. Okay. You love God? Yeah. And are you a good girl? Yeah. I'm happy to see you, too. Say hello, Tom. Hi. Thanks for the milk. Thanks for the milk. Yeah. You're around. Yeah. I'm a good girl. What would you like to do today if you could do anything you want? I'm going to. I'm going to swing. I'm going to swing. I'm going to swing. I'm going to swing. Anything else to say? Hmm? You don't know? I don't know. It's funny looking at a camera, isn't it? Okay. Great to and goodbye. Oh, how old are you? I'm good. Bye. Bye. Okay. Bye-bye. Love you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. There's our little baby. Where's Popeye at? Ah, Bobby. Come see Dada. Oh. Oh. Yeah, Bobby. Help. Bobby's our little clown here. Wave at the camera, Bobby. Wave at the camera. Wave at the camera. Wave. There you go. Say hello. Say hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. How old are you, Bobby? Huh? How old are you? One? I'm one year old. One year old. Who would you like to do today besides drink some of that milk they sent you, huh? Wanna drink some milk? Huh? Huh? Want some bub-bu? Want some milk? Huh? Want some na na? No. No. No? Oh, you have some milk yet? Huh? Okay. Okay. You take it. Say take it. Say take it. Take it. Take it. Thank you. Okay. Go mama. Oh. Oh. Okay. Go to mama, Bobby. No. Over here. Okay. Go to mommy. Come on. Love you. Ah. Okay. Come on, Daylon. Hey, hot rod. Oh. Say hello. Hello. Oh, you gotta wave at the camera there. What's your name? Daylon. Oh. Oh. Hey. Say hello. Say hello. Hello. You gotta wave at the camera there. What's your name? Daylon. Hello. Uh-huh. Yes, Daylon. Daylon. How old are you? Five. Three. Three. What's your mama's name? Yes, Daylon. Daylon. How old are you? Five. Three. Huh? Miki? Yeah. Come on, you can talk real good. Tell them your ABCs. ABCs. ABCs. ABCs. ABCs. ABCs. ABCs. ABCs. ABCs. ABCs. Why? Now I know my life? My life? Why don't you come and think? Why don't you come and think? Maybe. Why don't you come and sing with me? You want Jake and all of them to come and sing A, B, C's with you, son? Huh? You love your daddy? How much do you love me? How much? Huh? Three. Three? You love me three? No more than three? Okay. Anyway, can daddy have a kiss? Love you. Okay, go get your sister. Okay. Pages. Pages. Hey, Pages. What you doing? Pages, look. Pages. Look, look. Pages, look over here. Over here. Oh, you want to play with her? Uh. Huh? What's Pages now? Pages. Oh, she just turned one too, huh? Yeah, this is our little girl, Pages. He's sweetie, huh? He's an Australian baby. Half American, half Australian. You want to sing? You want to sing? You want to sing? Pages. Pages. Pages. Pages. Clap your hands, Pages. Clap. Clap. Clap. Hey, you want to clap? Clap your hands. Say hello, Dick. Hello, John. Hello, Jim. Stop. Hello, guys. Let's see if he's asleep. Okay, what's your mama? Come on, you want to sit down here with us for a second? Sure. Hello. Hello? You can sit down here. Tell a little bit about yourself. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. How did we meet, Nikki? Um, we met in Australia. Okay. About, uh, five years ago, Mike. How did you clear? Almost five years ago. Yeah. At my parents' house. And, um, that's another retreat in his life. Well, I mean, I came over to get you, didn't I? Yeah. And who knew about it? I was like, for everyone who dealt with me. I met you two years before, hadn't I? Yeah. Yeah. I met you two years before, hadn't I? Yeah. Yeah. And of course, you had nothing to do with me whatsoever, right? Nothing. I was at college. I was at college. I was at college. I was at college. I was at college. I was at college. I was at college. I was at college. I was at college. I was at college. I was at college. I was at college. I'm at college. Well, you know, we've been teaching, trying to teach some of our friends here in the FBI, the Seven Seals. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, the Seven Seals are really pretty deep, aren't they, Mike? Oh, yeah. They're very deep. Like any other theology the world has ever had to offer. And that's why I would challenge in regards to, you know, the question is, what am I doing? What am I doing with all these children, you know? What's really going on here? Well, you know, God is God in this nation. It's supposed to honor and serve God. It's something God we trust in our country. And these children that I have are for a reason. And unless we really have the ear and the eyes to open ourselves up, to be able to read, really read the scriptures, and understand the prophets in a lot of the seven seals, the explanation would seem almost free. But anyway, hopefully God's granted us time to be able to open these things up more thoroughly. It's a serious stuff here. And I love them. Can you like them two? Thank you. Say hi, Kim. Hi, Vic. I spoke to my wife. Hello. Hello. Okay. What would you like to do today, G? You can do anything more. Mariana's before? Am I a mean person, Mickey? No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No, no. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No problem. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. This is Minor Bird. How do you, Minor? Two. Two? Love Daddy? Mama doesn't want to be in the picture, does she? She's worried about how she looks, huh? Say hello, Jim. There. Hope all you fellas are doing real good. Love Daddy. Love everybody here. Are you thankful for the milk? Thanks for the milk. Lounge. For the milk. Minor is a talker. I mean, I named every one of these children, and as a person observed the nature of these children, they would see that their names would be given to them ahead of time. It's perfectly fulfilled. And Minor, she likes to talk, like a Minor Bird, right? A little Minor Bird. Look at her. Can you say your ABCs? Oh, that's some of it. Okay. Okay. Maybe they'll come and sing with her someday, okay? Okay? Okay. Love you, Minor. Okay. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. What's the name of you, Kathy? Oh, here's the kicker. This is Chamele. Oh, here's the jumper. This is a very athletic little girl. This is Chamele. Isabel. Androni. Androni. Androni. We tried to tell you that if you were given time to give you studies, everything I would let you know. Remember that, Isabel? But like a lot of people, people get too hasty. And look, what we do, people would not understand naturally at first. Chamele, look at you. Maybe your grandma might see you at the town. Say hello. Come on. Come over here. She's always fascinated with me. Oh, boy. Okay. So here's your little grandbaby. Isabel. He's happy. You know, all of our children here, you've seen them. They're all happy. We have our little combination of child development that no one else in the world has. Should I have my kiss? Should I have my kiss? Oh, I'll kiss a little temple that's ready to go. Okay. Here she goes. Here. Hey, Susan. Yeah, we'll hold her. Hey, explain to them. While we're in this odd situation here. Oh! That's okay. Go ahead. Well, we believe something that the world needs to know. We learned seven fields from God, which God gave to his servant, the Lamb. The book was given to the Lamb to receive his field. And to his servant, he signed and signed and signed by his angel. Read Revelation 4 and 5. Read Revelation 4. Read Revelation 4. Revelation 10. 7. When the seventh angel begins to sound and make sure that God is the first, as he has declared the seventh angel. And he's given to the prophet. So, I mean, it's quite simple written and can't be that theory. You've got your papacy. You've got your luthers. Your Methodists. Your Presbyterian. Your Baptist. You've got all forms of nominations. And, hey, they've read the Bible. I'm only 33 years old now. And, you know, you can check my records of Bible. I've never been a good person. But, like I say, if I want to go to the papacy or any church, I want to make sure they're connected with God, the true and living God. So, the test I've been offering to individuals is very simple. God offers it. If there's a revelation of Jesus beyond Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John's revelation, then John states the revelation pertaining to a God, a book. And in seven, a little preview, seven seals, which, when there's time no longer, these subjects must be brought to view. As God declared to the prophets, so wherein the prophetic writings from Moses to Malachi, I was the seven seals contained. And if you cannot show me, Isaiah the prophet said nobody can but the Lamb. Well, then, if you don't want to learn, if you want me to show you, you don't want to learn. You won't understand these babies. You won't understand such a Zachariah's testimony. It might be a shepherd, sheep scattered, my hand is on the little ones. I mean, there are some things that God has concealed in his written words that are to be brought to view right before the end of time. And they might see whether they can learn the lesson the Jews never learned. The Jews didn't want to learn nothing. If it wasn't from the high art, if it wasn't from the Sanhedrin, the Pharisees, they didn't want to learn it. So anyway, are we happy, Kathy? Yes. Until recently we've got shot up. Truly. But anyway, this is my family and no one's going to come in on top of my family and start pushing my family. Yes, it's not going to happen. It ain't going to happen. And I think we've made this very clear, especially when we have a God on our side that lets us know a thing before time. But anyway, like you don't understand, so you do understand this stuff. Oh, oh, oh. Yes. Thank you, Kathy. See you later, Kathy. Oh. Let's see one of the holes here. Hold one of them. That was nice. One up higher. Thank you. Get some one out right here. Is it leaking? Can you see that, Steve? Actually, you got a trim work. Oh. Is it bleeding again? Oh, you can see it anyway. It's kind of painful. Oh. Oh, he ain't nothing, tough guy like me. Just last. He healed. Thanks for the pictures of the day. This thing here, boy, it was... It was knocked out. Just clean cut straight through there. And the flower skin slapped the cut from the skin back. It all scans on the inside. Can you turn that hand a little bit and see what we've got there? Oh, we... Sure of nothing. Okay. It made all the... The sun done here. This lady. Daddy's little girl. Here's the... Here's the controversy, young lady. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here's my little baby. Oh. Her name is Serenity. Why? She's Serene. Very. Very Serene. Okay. What is her? The camera. Is it way better? Hello, Jim. Hello. Hello. You want a great person? Put your hands down. What do you like for breakfast? Huh? You like ice cream? You love daddy? Huh? How much do you love daddy? Three. So much. Well, that's a lot. How are you? How are you? How can you... How can you feel... How can you feel... How can you feel... How can you feel... Huh? You don't know? Yes. How old are you? Huh? Huh? Four? Three. Four. Say four. Oh, this is me. This is her dad. Show them. Show the camera. Say that, Mary. Where do you want to grow up and be? You want to grow up and be a woman? Well, that's probably probable. Say it again. Love you. Gonna get your sisters? Okay. You're the little one, right? Come on. Go to bed. Come on. Come on. Down. Go ahead. Come on. Here to go first. You want to go first? Come on. You can go first. Here you go. Listen. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Daddy. Daddy. Daddy. Daddy. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Daddy. Daddy, sit down. Let's see if we can do that. Be careful. Okay. Smile at the camera. Smile. Smile. There's little one and small one. Smile. Blaze. Blaze. This is Simon. These are shorty's little sister. Bobby's waving. Bobby's waving. Hey. Don't talk. Will this take your ABCs? No. How old are you now? Year and a half. Year and a half? What do you all like? Mama? You like milk? Huh? They drink large milk. They love milk. Love milk? Huh? They drink a lot of milk, Trinity? Huh? Yeah, they drink lots of milk. So thanks for the milk. Thanks for the milk. Thanks for the milk. Thanks for the milk. Thanks for the milk. Thanks for the milk. Anyway, for the Jones clan out there in Waco, if you get a chance to see this film, here's their, here's their relative. My baby Sue. Those are rumors true. But like I say, you don't know the two, you don't know why. Why? No, isn't it misjudging a man. I bet. She don't know the reasons why. She want to say something? You want to say? You want to say? She got a kiss. She got a kiss. She got a kiss. Okay, doke. Go to mama. Okay? Go to mama. Mama, do you want to come in the picture? No? Why not? You want to say it? Okay, doke. Okay. How about it? You need your big sister. Okay, come on. Okay. Maybe you can help here a little bit. Maybe you can help. Okay. You got her? Be careful. Huh? Yeah, if you want her. Come on, Rach. I mean, you can say something. Bring Bobby here. I think she wants to say something now. Go ahead. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. You can tell them. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead, Tom. Well, I just wanted to say thanks a lot for killing my dad. He was... Who is he? My dad's name is Terry Jones. He was an unarmed man. And, uh... You guys just shot through the door and killed him. Thanks a lot. And thanks for the milk, too. Thanks a lot. Ah! I mean, there's a lot of sad things in this old world. You know, like... The FBI is getting involved now, but, uh... Kind of like, uh... Getting into a fight with a couple of next-door neighbors where the... You know, the little brother comes over and wits you, and then the big brother comes over to investigate. You know? Anyway, we'll try to work this out. You got anything positive to say? We know Perry's made it, you know, but... You know? I just wish it never happened. That's all. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Bye-bye. Okay, next. How many next? Holly needs. Badge. Badge. You got some of that good milk in your bottle? Is it empty? It's empty? What's it? It's not empty. Well... Oh, Holly, you're getting so big. This is my little one, Holly. Holly with her. Yeah. What's your mama's name? No, your mama's name. Not you. Look at the camera. Look at Steve. Wave. How old are you, Holly? Huh? Two. How old are you? Two. You love daddy? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? You love daddy? Huh? Huh? You love daddy? Huh? You like chickens. Huh? You like chickens. Huh? You want to tell them about daddy's truck? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Mom don't want to come in? Mom don't want to come at all, huh? I don't... I don't want to come. Okay, she wants to pass this one by. Hey, it's freedom of speech here. Freedom of expression. I can't... I love it. Toys. Okay. You want some toys? Okay, we'll get some toys. That'd be it. Okay, go to Miller real quick. She don't want to come in. Who's next? Oh. Bring her... Bring her in. I'll leave. Well... I bet you don't want to leave. Oh, yeah. Hold on. We're going to have a hard time. This one, we're fixing to have another one here pretty soon. Uh... Oh. Come here, Sarto. Sarto. Can you see? I'm sorry. Look, I only owe things no more. Ah, you can mind... Hey, Sarto? Say hello. Uh... She just woke up, huh? Uh... Uh... Uh... Hey, Sarto. Uh... Hey, Sarto. Uh... Uh... My daddy's kiss. Uh... Can you have a kiss? Uh... Mom is here. Come on, too. Uh... Sarto. Sarto. Sarto. Sarto. Sarto. Sarto. Sarto. Sarto. Sarto. Sarto. Hey. Hi, my daddy's kiss. Hi, my daddy's kiss. Uh... Uh... Where do we find you at, too? Up there, yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. We gotta have some quiet out there. We're trying to make this... See she'll be having another one here in about a month, huh? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. What was the midwife's name? Julia. Julia Tree. Yeah, she's a good midwife. Good lady. And we don't appreciate, if she did, we don't appreciate her trying our files in. Like I say, you know, our religion doesn't hurt anybody, but if we don't follow the convictions of our own conscience in the sight of God, then we're not serving God, and that's the way every religion should be. Just like the pasty during the Dark Ages. And if all people were heretics, they went in and dealt with them. That was the way they believed. And, you know, we have to all follow our conscience. That's why America is supposed to be a great nation, where we can follow our conscience according to our beliefs. A lot of beliefs people have may seem abnormal or strange to other people. That doesn't mean that it's not right, though. But anyway, let's just say something to your mother, your father, here's your grandbaby, Oliver. She'd really like to know when I was going to have a kid. I know. Here she is, and this is the truth, not just the baby. And, you know, Elizabeth, like, you know, you all know in Australia, you all know exactly what the doctrine is, and you know it's true. But like you said, you know, you had the right and the choice to make your decisions, and so you're there and we're here. So anyway, anything else you want to say to Jim or anybody, or thanks for the milk? Well, yeah, thank you for the milk. Finally. Thank Jack Harwell for the milk, especially Jack Harwell. Thank the Waco Sheriff's Department. Great bunch of guys. I mean, I wish they had came out and dealt with us. This would have never happened. You know, I've always had a heart connection to those boys down there. You know, Mr. Thorne and Larry Abner. I was waiting to come out and go fishing. You and Garcia? Johnny Leandro. Yeah, Johnny Leandro, yeah. But, you know, sometimes business and pleasure are hard to mix together. I realize that. Anyway, this is enough for now because some of the others are, uh, I'm saying they're having a little difficulty here. Here's, uh, here's one of my adopted children. Not a quarter of yours. Come on, come over here, Joseph. No. Hey, Joseph. Mr. Thorne's adopted brother, right, Joseph? What do you and Charles do a lot alike to tell Lake Miller? Let's talk. Ride motorcycles together, right? Is that what's on? Let me get some quiet, please. This is possible. What kind of motorcycles you got? Stop. Stop. Well, no, they're not mini-mots. What kind are they? They're Suzuki, 50cc. Well, just like regular big-nose motorcycles, those things. Right? Got them brand new, huh? You were good boys. You and Cy and Jake were good boys, huh? Oh, Scott. Oh, Scott. Okay, we didn't get Jake one yet, did we? Mm-hmm. Let's keep turning on. Okay, so be sure and tell Scott that, you know, his motorcycle's still here. And, uh, no one's riding. No one gets to ride them because we're all in trouble right now. Right? Right, son? Yeah. And, uh, tell them all, what kind of hobbies y'all like to do here? Basketball. Basketball. Basketball. Basketball. Basketball. That's what a hobby is, though, is she? No. No? What kind of things do you have? You got any gloves? Yeah. What kind of gloves you got? Boxing gloves. Boxing gloves. You like the box? Yeah. Yeah. What is it? You got baseball gloves? Yeah. Like baseball? Yeah. Yeah. Well, we had some extropping lately? Yeah. Tell them what happened just recently when you were here. Well. Not in clear. Tell them what's there. Well, we. Well, we. I see. Well, we. Did some bullets come in your room? Yeah. How many? A lot. Well, we. What did your mom tell you to do? What were you doing? We were getting. We got on the floor. Were you scared? Yeah. Crying to God? Yeah. Did you know what was happening? No. Hmm. What's scary? Wasn't that scary, son? You don't even know already. Tell them what happened. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we. We're up in the room. My mom was talking to him. And then. My mom was looking up. And then. She saw this car coming up. And she took a wheel. Like that. And then. And then. They got him. And we started. They said, she wanted to get down. So we got into the room. You didn't even know what was going on. She got bullet holes in your room, too, huh? Yeah. We don't know how many. Okay, though. So we're brave, though. We still believe in God, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And we're trying to work this out so we can guarantee our securities and your security. And try to resolve and see who's at fault here, right? Yeah. Okay, though. You still love us? Yeah. You want your sisters to come in? You love me? Am I a good daddy? Yeah. Good. I'm in here. She knows. All right. Where's little soccer at? What's your name, anyway? Joseph. Joseph. How old are you? Eight. Eight. Eight. Okay. What are you doing? What's your name? Uh-oh. There's my little franco, girl. What's in the bitch? I'm not sure you let her pay it off. Huh. Margo? Tell him about it. Come back. We were in our room, and all of a sudden, my mom saw some two cars coming. And she was coming. She looked out, and she saw two cars coming, and they were coming in real fast. And she was like, whoa. And she was laughing outside. And she saw two cars coming on the floor. So she looked out of the window and said, stay on the floor, so we both got on the floor. Are you scared? Did you hear me outside talking? You remember hearing me talking? Hmm. Okay. And what happened, there was a bullet that came right in between the carpet and then it ironed Joseph's stomach, right? No, no feet. No, your feet, huh? It didn't hit anybody. It just went through the wall and went through the carpet, didn't it? It landed at your feet, huh? No, it went through, and it stopped in the middle of the carpet and the wood. Oh, my. It was exciting, huh? What's your name, Taco? What's your own name? Isaiah. Isaiah, how old are you? Daddy. You love Daddy? I'm the doctor. I'm the doctor to you, right? I'm the doctor. You love Sides? And then what else do you love boys and girls here? Yeah. You want to say hello to anybody out there, the kids that left? Yeah. Say hello or wait to them. Hi. So, I'll make sure that they're taking good care of them. Make sure that I'm taking good care of them. Okay. Of course. There's nothing else you want to say. Maybe you might ask them if you can have some ice cream, too, huh? Yeah. Ask them. Can I have some ice cream? A little bribery there. You know, you're, right in there, you're considered a big terrorist, you know, and you can demand some important things like an ice cream or something, you know, and maybe they might adhere to you. Okay. Okay, love you. And let Crystal come and talk? Okay, go. Come on. There's a little Crystal. She's my little taco girl. Is that Daddy? Huh? There's one thing a lot of kids will tell you about me, and that's that a child's a child. There's one thing about our children you'll find out is that they're not faith. They're taught respect. They're taught faith in God. They may not know every doctrine. They may not know everything that we know. But they're taught that authority is based in maturity. They're taught to respect people. And this kind of, if I'm right, say this kind of refuge of the so-called psychologist, the precious lady out in Dallas. These people say that our children are abnormal. They're going through some kind of shock. You know, love is a power which allows a human being to have a subdued thought and a subdued reaction to anything. And we need to understand that what may be considered normal to one may not be considered normal to another. But our children, they're not disrespectful. Our children are not over-demanding. They're just trying to get along. They're trying to be able to act and direct their staff as you would have them to. And I think you'll need to really sit back and stop and look at the situation. I think that all you who got kids in the supermarkets who run and scream and eat all this junk food all the time and all this candy. I think that all you people that have all these children who in school do not want to be spanked by somebody else or are always rebuttling, want to fight against somebody in their authority. You see, I think if you look at the children, you'll see the actual product of the parent. And, you know, Mrs. Coon and all these people down there, social workers, you know, y'all should learn a lesson out of this. Our children is our product that we offer to society. And, you know, there's no difference in what we've seen the majority of society trying to offer to society. You know, our children know how to respect. They know how to be mindful. They know how to do right because they see it here. They see it in the parent. We subject ourselves to God. We're beating them to God. We follow the pattern that God would have us to do. Just like Abraham. God said to Abraham that he's covered with him because he'll direct his family after him. There's no hypocrite. There's no say, don't do as I do, do as I say routine strikes a tear. So anyway, we live for one thing, and that's the betterment of tomorrow's world. And that's where our children come in at. And you people go and think what you want to, but the proof is in the pudding. You know, just don't pervert our kids. That's all I'm asking. Don't pervert our kids. God will hold you in contempt. So you want to say hello? Thanks for the milk. Can you say that? Say it. Thanks for the milk. Crystal doesn't talk very much, but she does. She talks really well. Hey, love you. Have a kiss. Thank you. Okay, hop up. Anybody have anything they want to say? Huh? There's a lot of other children here, but we're just trying to get, you know, some of these, you know, so you can know that we're, um, we're doing fine. Here's a couple pictures of some of my other children. This is, this is a little Robin before she decided to go back in the world, and that's a little wisdom there. She calls him Sean. Is that there? Is that there, is that there in there? Not yet. Not yet. Okay, I'll let her fill it again. Okay, right there. That's Robin Barnes, and that's a little Wizzy there. Yeah, I, I try, Robin knows I try to talk her out of, uh, committing herself in this message, because, uh, that's a little Disney World upbringing. And this is, this, this, this is somewhere here I really cherish, and it just about killed me when I, when I lost this young lady here. But, you know, maybe everybody can, this is Dana Okamoto, Dana Okamoto. And this is my, one of my favorite signs here. They're all my favorite signs, but this is Skyborne and Scooter. The one on the, uh, on my left is Sky, and the little guy in the middle there with his mother's horn is Scooter. Got that, Steve? Yeah. And also I'd like to, uh, remind Linda Campion, who I believe still lives in Dallas, or Richardson area, daughter of Dick Campion, that, uh, no matter how this ends up, you know, I still love Shay Nicole, and, uh, I've been putting money back to the side for her. And, uh, everything that I taught Linda still sticks. And this is something that the whole nation's going to have to learn, whether they can learn by being sober and listening, or they're going to learn the hard way. I mean, we want to wish the best of you guys, the best of us, and, uh, we ourselves, I said, are waiting on God. We want to resolve this as much or more so than you do. But we want everyone to stop, and we're listening, and we're looking, and we want to realize, and we want to be convinced that, uh, it is realized that the political power, the ATF, has done something seriously wrong. I'd like to, uh, very quickly show you a few things here from, uh, Cliff Sellers, an artist from England. We do custom-made guitars. What was there, when we met him, what was he going to be? Oh, Cliff was going to be a ministerial student for the Seventh-in-Eventus Church. When he found out they didn't have no truth, when I showed them the prophecy and all that, and all the Adventists had was a bunch of hollering about the Pope and all that. I mean, well, the Pope, the Pope may be a nice guy. You know? But the thing that is, you can't be just hollering about somebody else all the time. You've got to present doctrine out of a book, and the Adventists don't have that. Then we're LNG-1. But anyway, here's the, uh, got it? Can you tilt this, uh, the net down a little more, like that, right there? I'm going to zero in on it right here. We get out of this with, like, Steve Vai to have this guitar. Matter of fact, it's taken from one of his, uh, Ivan Enz endorsement pictures. Got it? Yep. Here. This is the, uh, notorious Psalms 45 guitar. A lot of people think it's kind of sensual. But no more sensual than the Song of Solomon. For those who have enough nerve to read the Song of Solomon. Psalms 45, the prophecy about the marriage of the Lamb in the latter days. A lot of people, when they read Psalms 45, try to spiritualize it away. But nonetheless, it's one of the seals. It's the first seal. And recaptured and confirmed and verified in, uh, Revelation 19. All the prophets talk about this event. Got that, Steve? Yes. Okay. Some beautiful custom works. We actually had several. Koresh is a surname of God in Isaiah 45. It's the surname that God gave to, uh, to Koresh. And, uh, it's an illustration of what God is going to do to the last generation and all the false religions as misrepresented his word. So, you know, let's pray to God that we can resolve this in doctrine and in truth. And while I'm allowed to, uh, regain strength, possibly we can, uh, resolve some of these things. I basically don't have anything really to say except, you know, God ran his whole time. I've got a question. Yeah? You've got about, so, maybe 12 to 15 minutes left, uh, the family that you just showed that is yours. Is that family mentioned in the scriptures? Anything to do with the seventh seal? Steve, you answer that. Y'all answer that. I mean, I just, is my great, wonderful looks something that just women can't resist? Huh? It has everything to do with the seal. It has everything to do with the seal, you know? We here are not stupid people. Does the scripture not talk about stumbling blocks from the beginning? Sure. Stumbling blocks from God is a rock of offense and a stone of stumbling. Peter says, for those who believe not the word, take it from Isaiah, referring to Messiah. I'm not sure what he's given me for signs and wonders in Israel. I mean, can I have a little feedback? Are these things not just written by one, but all the prophets? Not all the prophets. It's too conclusive. But, 2,000 years ago, hey, who believed in Christ's doctrine? Men had to die. No one would believe what he had to say. So is there a lesson to be learned by looking back at the history of the prophets that came contrary to what people looked for? They killed Isaiah, they killed Husha, they killed Zechariah, and Jesus came to say in Matthew 23 to the Jews, warned you to believe not all the prophets are focused. So, you know, today it's all together just totally disregarded. It's another religious fanatic, it's another religious group. You know, it's not against the law. I want to thank Sean M. out of Dallas. I want to thank Charlie, CDN, out of, of, of, where'd you ask Steve located at? CD, you know, Charlie, CD, and... And that's about it, ladies and gentlemen. The remainder of the videotape is just David Koresh thanking some people and saying good things about some people. And you can tell that he's in great pain. His wound is broken open again and he is, he has to lay down. He's turning extremely pale. And of course, his people help him and then that's the end of the, of the tape. Those people were murdered. The United States government, the FBI, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms have lied to the American people from day one. And, uh, that's pretty much been proven. There were no machine guns. Even if there were, all you have to do is, uh, say, hey, you've got a machine gun, give us the $200 tax because at the time that's all it costs. The BATF were told that David Koresh would welcome them to come and inspect all their firearms. They refused. There was no child molestation. There was no child abuse. The Texas state authorities proved that in two different investigations. The local sheriff has stated that David Koresh and all the Branch Davidians have always cooperated with law enforcement and it was no problem to see David Koresh any time they wanted to. All they had to do was call him and ask him to come down to the office and he would. Also bear in mind that there was no warrant for anyone, ladies and gentlemen, but David Koresh and the warrant was a lie. It was faulty and it was a lie. So, if you want to see the proof for yourself, Waco, the rules of engagement using the government's own film that the government made, including their forward-looking infrared film, proves, proves, ladies and gentlemen, beyond any doubt whatsoever, it is absolute proof that they intentionally sealed off all of the entrances except one back entrance to the building with tanks and armored personnel carriers. They broke holes into the building in order to fuel the fire with plenty of oxygen. They gassed those people. You can see in the film that the FBI set that fire and then as the Branch Davidians, the ones that could, tried to escape out the back door, you can clearly see on the government's own film that the FBI machine-gunned them, killed them in cold blood. They ran over the shelter wherein the women and children were huddling to try to escape the fire and crushed them to death with the tanks and the falling roof and walls of cement that caved in upon them. Then they pushed all of the flaming building into the fire so that no evidence would survive. They held up the ambulances in the fire trucks and would not let them go to the scene to put out the fire and help any of the Branch Davidians that may have escaped. Good night and God bless you all. This is The Voice of Freedom. Waco, the Rules of Engagement will be showing at the AMC Glen Lakes Theater 9450 North Central Expressway Dallas, Texas from Monday or excuse me on Monday at 7.15pm April the 21st 1997. The phone number is 214-855-6286. That is the AMC Glen Lakes Theater 9450 North Central Expressway Dallas, Texas. We'll also be showing from Friday May 2nd 1997 until Thursday May 8th 1997 at the Dobie Theater 2021 Guadalupe Austin, Texas The number is 512-505-0105. 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