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And mention my name, William Cooper, for a free newsletter on protecting your future. By protecting your future, you're keeping the future of this program and freedom for the world alive. Call today, 1-800-289-2646. We have on the line with us, from Waco, Texas, one of the people, a woman who was actually in the church of Branch Davidian, when the government agencies, the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, attempted to serve a warrant. And we're going to get her story as to what happened from her point of view inside the church. Could you tell us your name, please? Rita Riddle. Rita Riddle. You were at the church at the time that all of this happened. Yes, I was. Can you tell us what you were doing there? Well, I met David Koresh in 1988. I was at my home in North Carolina. And he came to North Carolina with my brother. And my brother asked me if I wanted some Bible studies, which at the time I wasn't into the Bible at all. Matter of fact, it was probably strange in my mind. So I called him, sure, you know, I was listening. And so when he came, I started listening. He started opening up the stuff. And he was there several days. And then, you know, he returned to Texas. And I could see that there was something more to what he was sharing with me than just the norm of, you know, what you get in church every week. So, you know, this went on for a period of time. You know, I couldn't get it out of my mind. So I decided to pay him a visit in Texas. So I came out the following year at Passover and stayed for a week. Of course, I got more studies. I returned back to North Carolina. And I did this off and on for a couple of years before I decided, well, two years ago, to finally move out here. And when you moved out here, where is it that you actually live, Rita? I live at Mount Parmel. And what is Mount Parmel? Well, it's what they're calling the compound. Oh, I see. So when you moved out here, were you in any way influenced by anybody? Or were you made, forced to move or anything like that? I was influenced by the word of God. And then you could feel if he'd open it up, if he did. Some of the speculation, the government has released statements to the news, and it's been broadcast, of course, all over the country on television and radio, that David Koresh claims that he's Jesus Christ. Is that true? No, that is not true. Have you ever heard him say that? No, never. David has some credentials. If a police officer arrests you, they show you a badge, and that's their credentials as to who they are. David's credentials are his ability to open up these seven fields. And it's up to the world to see if he can do it or not. Either he can do it or he can't. Now, what do you mean by the seven seals? You have to remember we have a listening audience that does not understand a lot of the things that you're talking about. Okay, this is true. Okay, the seven seals is what he talks about in Revelation 4 and 5. Those seven seals are basically the whole Bible. You know, people think that they're just, you know, in Revelation 4 and 5 and 6, you know, we're talking about the Lamb opening up the seals. Mm-hmm. So, you know, it is just the whole Bible. So you're saying that David Koresh can open up the seals, but what you're talking about as the seals is the Bible. In other words, he can open the meaning of the Bible to the people who are willing to listen to it. And it's an irrefutable truth, and he can harmonize the process. He's like nobody else that I have ever seen. And after he did come to North Carolina, you know, and I'm thinking, you know, well, I was looking for something wrong with what he was teaching, but I couldn't find it. So I started going out and asking people, you know, about these seals, and they said, well, that's not for us to know. Well, it is for us to know, and we know that now, you know, from years and years of studying. So basically what you do there at the Branch Davidian Church is you study the Bible, and with the help of David Koresh, according to your own explanation, the belief of Branch Davidian is that the Bible are the seven seals, and David Koresh is able to open up and explain what's in the Bible, and that's the opening of the seven seals. So all of this stuff that the government is putting out is either misinterpreted or is an out-and-out lie. Totally bizarre. I cannot believe this thing has gotten blown so far. As for what the real issues are, it has gotten blown totally out of proportion. I just, you know, it's all real. Can you tell me what was going on that Sunday morning? Well, usually we would be in a study. You know, we do keep the day links every day, and we just watch the day. But the night before, one of the HEF officers that lived across the street that was supposed to be an undercuff, where David was given studies to, and he had been there that Saturday night prior to the raid on Sunday morning, and we had been up pretty late in the study with him. So most people were still, you know, in their rooms, you know, studying on their own. You know, we weren't there as a group because, like I said, a lot of people were up late. Okay. And that was on Saturday night. What did this guy do? Well, he would always come over for studies, and they would give him Bible studies. Did you know that he was a BATF agent? We didn't know that he was BATF, but we thought, you know, that he was some kind of federal agent. But, you know, it doesn't matter. That's the whole thing. You know, it doesn't matter who you are or what you are. You know, the Bible is for everybody. So even though you all thought that he was some kind of a federal agent, you still welcomed him and brought him into your Bible studies. Is that correct? Definitely, yes. And then, so what happened then? Well, he had brought the paper over the following morning because that's when they started running the series. They ran a whole series in the local paper here in the Waco Tribune and Held about the evil Messiah, and it was about David. And it was just supposed to have been a whole week of nothing but put down, you know, garbage about David and accusations that were made by someone named Mark Burrow, which, you know, about the child molestation, all this crap that you have heard about now, and most people have. Well, let's assume that our audience hasn't heard because we have to do that. We don't know who's really listening, but I'll tell you this. And worldwide, I have about 10 million listeners, so if you could explain a little bit more, it sure would help the people out there understand what we're talking about. You see, all that they've heard is what the government has presented to them. And in my own investigations and in the investigations of my organization, which is the largest civilian intelligence gathering organization in the world, we have discovered that most, if not all, of what the government is telling us about Waco, Texas is a lie. Well, that's for sure. Now, if we know that and we know that the only source of information that the people listening to this broadcast has had previously has been the FBI and the BATF, then we need you to go in a little bit more depth into explanation of what the background. Why were they attacking Branch Davidian in the newspaper? This fellow named Mark Burrow was a person that David taught for four years. He was a theologian. Uh-huh. He went to Newville College, and he was taught by David, like I said, for four years. Okay. When something, when he ran across something in the Bible that personally affected him, he told David, he said, look, it's not because I don't believe it. He said, it's because I don't know whether I want to do it or not. Uh-huh. So that is when he divorced himself from the group. Okay. Then he started the allegations really heavy. What? As far as child molestation, all this stuff about all these wives, how David wanted his wives, all this crazy stuff. So then in 1990, he called the local sheriff's department here in Waco, and he really started putting the pressure on them. And so they sent all these social workers out to investigate time after time of children, which they found nothing. Uh-huh. And, you know, this went on and on and on. They just told him, look, you know, we have investigated this thing, and we have found absolutely nothing at all. But he just kept on and kept on and kept on. So we ended up having a girl that was in a custody case, Sherry Jewel. She is, you know, in our group, if you want to call it a group. I said we really don't call it that, but to let the listeners understand what's happening here. She had a daughter. He contacted her father in Battle Creek, Michigan, and told this David Jewel that David was dangerous, that he was molesting children. And so he had a court order when she went up for the holiday, that the child, Carrie, could not return to the mother, Carrie. And so... Now this was the daughter that made these allegations? No, this was Mark Bro. Oh, so the daughter didn't say any of these things? No. Okay. No. She was just an 11-year-old child. I see. Didn't have much of a choice. But anyway, he got a custody Bible going there, which the father took the child away from the mother, which for 11 years he hadn't even wanted the child at all. Uh-huh. So it weren't for one man. So, you know, he didn't stop at that. You know, he's the one that initiated the whole thing of February 28th. Okay. Okay. Now, understanding that you've been a member of Branch Davidian, have you ever seen David Koresh make a pass at anybody who was not his wife? Not under any circumstances. Have you ever seen him act inappropriately with any children at all, male or female? Never. Never at all? Has he ever made any passes at you? There's this one thing about David you'll find. You know, he's just not a person who teaches the Bible. He lives, you know, every day. Uh-huh. He teaches. And, uh... So you're saying from your own involvement in Branch Davidian that none of these things ever took place. Is that correct? Yes. It's totally ridiculous. But, you know, we've got to look at what feels true. Okay, the seven seals are being opened up. And they are being opened up, we know, by David. So we've got to realize what point of time we're living in. So, therefore, Satan is working very, very hard, you know, to or through Mark Breaux to get people to, you know, not pay attention to what David is teaching the Word of God. You know, there's a God of God's way to snares the Babylon and they'll be taken unawares. That's right. I'm sorry, Mark Breaux. We believe is just a front for a much more powerful group of people who want to eliminate religion of all types. And this is just a place to start. The first thing that they have to do is make Christian religion really look bad. And, of course, they're, with most people, which we call sheeple on this program, they're succeeding. Well, he thinks he is. But, you know, it talks about a man, this wiki counselor, and it also talks about this wiki counselor in Psalm 55. And I know, because, like I said, that Mark is just trying to ease his consciousness of knowing that what David is teaching is the truth. Uh-huh. Well, let's get away from that kind of a thing right now. Let's go to Saturday night. You say that this gentleman who lived across the street who was actually an undercover BATF agent was there at the church. Did he give you guys any warning at all that something was going to happen the next morning? Uh, no, he didn't. But the next morning when he came over and bought the paper, before he left that morning, the alarm went off on his truck, which was unusual. And he faked his horn four times when he went out of the driveway. Uh-huh. So then when he did go across the street, there was a lot of commotion. Back and forth, there's two houses that fit directly across from their property to, you know, their property. So the house that the BATF was in and the neighbor's house, they were, you know, pulling vehicles from the one the agent went in to the next to their neighbor's. And there was just really a lot of commotion that was totally unusual. So... Yeah, when you live out in the country like we did, you pretty much know that one of the trashes. Well, I do live out in the country, and I know that anything out of the ordinary attracts the attention of everybody around. So what you're telling us is that there was some highly unusual activity going on in the property across the street from the church, and did this alert you that there might be some kind of a raid, or what did you think about this? No, I did not. I was like, ma'am, what are they doing? You know, because you see them all of a sudden pulling trucks from one driveway over to the other driveway, and it's like, ma'am, what are they doing? And all of a sudden, here we see these big trucks coming down the road with the cabaret trailers on the back. Uh-huh. And we're like, you know, or that was unusual too, living out in the country. Yes, you see trucks with cabaret trailers, but not like these, you know. Not with trucks over them anyway. Uh-huh. So, and the whole thing was totally unusual, but we still didn't know, you know. And what happened when you saw them pulling up into the front of the church? Well, we were just looking out the window and watching. So you were just standing in the window watching what was going on? Yeah, most people were just dead lying there all in rooms and, you know. Uh-huh. And what happened then? Well, again, and now we're starting to get into things that we are not able to discuss. Like I said, we're pressing, we have gag orders on us. So, you know, as far as what happened after that point is stuff that we're not even supposed to be discussing at all. Who told you that you couldn't discuss it? Uh, Tony, uh, and everybody else. Uh, first of all, if we start giving out information, they already know that we have cooperated with the FBI, the BATF. So if we start handing out information, they're going to say, well, you knew more, you know, than you were telling us. So, we're just not releasing, you know. Well, under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution, you don't ever have to tell them anything. If you don't want to, it doesn't make any difference what you know. You understand that, I'm sure. Well, they don't know about the Constitution or the Fifth Amendment. We've already found that out. They don't even know what you're right. Well, we know that, but nevertheless, they can accuse you of whatever they want. You don't ever have to say anything to anybody. Um, can you tell me who fired the first shots? Uh, yes, that's your stand. It was the D.A.T.S. Hey, can you tell me anything about that? Uh, no, I can't, I can't comment on that. Okay, uh, what were the conditions inside after this started? Uh, what do you mean after it started? Well, for instance, the government has said that David Koresh was holding everyone hostage. Now, we know that that can't be correct because he had to go to sleep sometimes. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, that's right, and there's a lot of people in there. Uh, right now, there's estimated to be close to 100 people still inside the church. Is that correct? That's right, and if I'd known now what I knew before I came out, I would still be sitting in there. You mean, you mean, uh, they told us when we came out that we could bring our Bible and give those to us, which they didn't. They told us we would be allowed a phone call back in to what they're calling a compound, which they didn't do. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. We were supposed to have been a part of the negotiations, the ones who would volunteer to come out. Uh-huh. Uh, that if we came out that we could call back so the others would come out. Well, they wondered why nobody else came out after us. Uh-huh. We didn't get to call back in. They didn't hold up to their end of the bargain as they never did before anyway. So they lied to you. Oh, yeah, they lied to you. They're lying to everybody. We found that out. Uh, it was starting out with the second day that this was going on where they started bringing these priests in that they would not come on the property. So they would take the priests around to the back of the property and do all kinds of damage and, uh, where the youth media three miles down the road couldn't pick it up. Uh-huh. And then, where, up and down, you know, they didn't make negotiations. I see. But, you know, there was so much that went on that was covered up. Well, Rita, let me ask you something. What are they doing there? Why did they do this? What are the charges? They've sealed the warrants so we can't find out even why they're there. Well, I will tell you this. They knew two months ahead before they ever did this raid that every single weapon that was bought was done legally. But Paul Fida did go back and forth to gun shows locally around Houston, Austin, and different areas around here. They pulled UPS files, which UPS had already, uh, sent a sheet telling that BATF had pulled their files, they sent us a copy of the land and letting us know that they had done that. So, you know, they were already aware that everything that we have was legal. Uh-huh. Well, we know that everything you have is legal. What are these allegations about .50 caliber machine guns and things like that? Uh, again, you know, that's what the FBI is going to have to answer because I don't know where they came up and have the stuff they come up with. Okay. Uh, so you're saying that basically they came there because, uh, they believed that there were illegal weapons but they knew that there were not? Uh, I believe that they knew so fast that there were not. But we also know that BATF, it was time for their fundraisers so that they would still have their job. So, you know, they made sure that, uh, you know, Channel 10, uh, the local tribute and Harold and, uh, several people were there to witness what they were going to do. Uh-huh. Uh, we did hear, uh, a person that came in over the radio the second day when this happened that he was in a bar called Cherry's locally here in town and that the BATF offices were in there bragging about what they were going to do to us the next morning. And what did they say? Well, they didn't go into any details, you know, over the radio but he still stated he was in there and, uh, but they were sitting in there bragging about what they were going to do to us. Okay. And all the time that you were with Branch Davidian, did you ever see anybody do anything illegal? Never. Never. Matter of fact, that was one of the strictest things that they would know that everybody would buy a buy. And if you tag right on your car, you know, you wouldn't drive it off on the highway. Okay. And, uh, did you ever see any, any signs of child molestation by anyone? Never. Any promiscuity amongst the men and women whatsoever? Never. Never. Okay, now a lot of people out there are wondering, now I hate to even ask this question because it's our right as Americans under the Constitution of the United States of America, specifically the second article and amendment to keep and bear arms. So there is no question that any American can buy and keep firearms if they wish to in any number that they wish to because that's our constitutional right. But there are a lot of people out there wondering why church members bought firearms. Can you answer that? Yeah, like I said, you know, they were going and doing gun shows, you know, which, you know, they would buy weapons and sometimes they would, you know, get what their money on. Oh, you mean they were buying and selling these weapons as investments? Yes. Okay. So, and how many people were doing that? I mean, how many people involved with the church were buying and selling weapons? Well, they were basically, you know, Paul. They were basically, sometimes some of the guys would go with him, you know, but he was basically doing the shows. Okay, who is Paul? Paul Fowler is the one that they claim that is a future kid, that he was armed and dangerous, and, you know, Paul is one of the most laid-back persons I have ever met in my life. To be armed and dangerous is incredibly ridiculous. They have followed him, matter of fact, like I said, he was in the danger of our feet in Austin in Houston on that Sunday morning, and he was followed. He didn't know by whom. I heard him over the radio while they were still inside, and he was telling them that his family was in there and he wanted to get back in. And he said that someone was following him, and they asked him, you know, who's following you? He said he didn't know, he just knew he was being followed. Well, if they were following him and they knew he was not in the church, why did they attack the church if he was the one they were after? And Rita, do you have any connection with Branch Davidian, other than just being a person who went there to study the Bible and learn God's Word? There is no other connection. I mean, that's why everybody that has ever met David has been there for. So you're just there, and tell us in your own words, what you are there for. I was there because I was teaching to David the seven fields. Do you have any attachments to David other than that he's a teacher? He is a great teacher and that is the only attachment. So is there any reason that you would lie to protect him? Not in any circumstances because I don't have to, because first of all, he's teaching the Word of God, if somebody doesn't like what he's teaching, then they need to get mad at God, not David. I mean, I've got a 17-year-old daughter inside there still, and I am not at all concerned about her welfare or her being because I know that she is fine. My brother is also in there. Is there enough food and water for these people to live comfortably? Yes. Now, some people might ask, why would there be so much food and water stored there? Was this in preparation of something? Uh, there was all those loads of food and water because it was bad and bulk because there were people coming and going out of there all the time. You know, this thing, this cult, this group, or a member, that's not the situation at all. There's people all over the world that come and go from there just as I did for two years. Well, Rita, it wouldn't matter even if it was a cult because if there is no illegal activity being conducted, we're protected by the Constitution and our right to well, we are. It's just that people will not wake up and stand behind those. And if the sheeple of the world continue to allow these things to happen, then no, we won't be protected because the protection comes from the people's demand for that protection and their ability and their willingness to protect and defend the Constitution. If nobody's willing to protect and defend the Constitution, then of course we won't have the protection of that document because after all it's a piece of paper. But within that document resides the nation. That document is the law, the supreme law of the land that gives us the right under law to the protection which is written in the document and in its amendments. So, yes, if all the sheeple permit these things to happen and don't understand the Constitution and don't perceive what's happening as an attack on their rights, then of course we won't have those freedoms. And you're absolutely right in that respect. But the purpose of this program is to wake people up and allow them to understand that what is happening in Waco, Texas is not what they're being told by the government. And in fact, it is an attack upon the Constitution, the nation itself, and upon our individual creator-endowed rights. We have no constitutional rights. Our rights are given to us by God, and the Constitution guarantees the protection of those rights. the people have been taught throughout their life that their government can do no wrong and to never question authority. And we know that going back through history and looking at history, that that's the wrong thing to do, that we should always be questioning authority because authority always attempts to garner more and more power and become the master. This was the first country in the history of the world that ever truly granted freedom to men and women anywhere and made them kings in their own right, and it was the first government that was supposed to be the servant of the people. And as all governments always do, it keeps collecting more and more power over the years. People tend to, by their very nature and their human failings, relinquish more and more power over the years until it becomes reversed and man once again is a slave owned by the government that started out being his servant. Don't go away, folks. We've got to take a break. I'll be right back after this very short pause. Pause. I can't ask for any length of time. You know I've been bringing you news of the world without sponsorship. In part, I've been very leery of allowing just any corporation to buy time on my show. I'm proud, though, to announce a new alliance. 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While you were inside, did anybody ever attempt to tell you that you can't leave when you want to? Never. Were you held hostage at any time by anybody? Never. Never. Never. Was anybody in there ever held hostage that you saw? Never. So anybody in there is free to go at any time that they wish. Exactly. Matter of fact, let me give you a few examples. If someone came to listen to David and to talk to him, if they found themselves wanting to leave for whatever reason and they didn't have the money, they would always make sure that they have enough money to get where they were going, to set themselves up for whatever they needed. And that was always the situation. He never just said, well, you know, if you want to leave, go ahead and have any money in your pocket too bad. He always made sure that somebody either took them, they had an airline ticket to his phone. You know, whatever the situation, he made sure that, you know, they had proper means. Great. So, why did you, why did you eventually come out, Rita? Like I said, I was part of the negotiation. You know, if I would come back, you know, it might, you know, lead to more people coming out, that I can come out, I can call back in and let my friends know that, you know, I've been treated humanely, which they played these stupid takes for over an hour telling us how humanely we'll be treated, you know, if we'll just come out in orderly fashion and blah, blah, blah, after an hour. Then right after this, the tape goes off, they bring the tank in, they turn all of their fuel tanks over, they run over and go-karts in my car. After playing the tape about how music. Oh, boy. Well, so, you were supposed to be part of negotiations, is that why you came out? Oh, yes. You know, again, you know, if I would come out, I could call back in and let everybody know, because, you know, there are people there from all over the world. You know, there's people from New Zealand, from Israel, from Canada, England, you name it. Rita, let me, let me ask you this. Is anyone in that church being held hostage? No, not in any circumstances. Were you ever held hostage? No. Do you know anybody that was ever held hostage? Never. So, everybody's in there of their own free will. Yes, and, again, everybody there can come and go, do as they please. It has always been that way. I mean, I myself travel back and forth from North Carolina to Texas, up and on, for two years, and people all over the world are doing the same thing because, you know, their measles are running out. Uh-huh. You know, they just can't stay here, you know, on and on and on, you know, without reporting to someone. And they have regular worship services and study groups and this kind of thing. Yes. And, well, let me ask you this. Why are the people staying in there? Why don't they come out? Why are they staying in there? Because, first of all, what they've been taught by David in the Bible is pertaining to these seven fields. You know, we know where we're at in time. And it says in the Bible, they'll be time no longer. It talks about in the days, the voice of the book of angels, the mystery of God shall be finished since he has declared to his service the prophet. Well, you know, what is this mystery that it's talking about? Well, you're saying then that they're staying there because David taught them not to come out in our, what? What is? No, David didn't teach them not to come out, but like I said, God has allowed the situation that has happened out here to happen for a reason. You know, people look at it from a biblical sense, they look at it from a political sense. Whether you're looking at it biblically or political, it goes both with the same thing. You know, God. Well, the way I would look at it is from the Constitution. I'd say, hey, we have every right to worship. We're protected by the First Amendment. We have the right to keep and bear arms. We're protected by the Second Article and Amendment. You have no right to do what you're doing. You've killed people. You've caused the death of others. I'm not coming out just on principle. It wouldn't have anything to do with anything else with me, but I understand where you're coming from. But I'm trying to get a clear of the people. If you look at it from a political sense, you've still got to go back to the Bible, though, because, okay, we know that our constitutional rights have been abolished more or less in our amendments. You know, they take none of this into consideration, so therefore, you've got to go back to who can make laws of the beast. We know that only God can do it. Well, these people inside the church, they're looking out at all these guns and tanks and armored personnel carriers. Aren't they afraid? Well, let me tell you, I wrote in one of their armored personnel carriers that they call, let me tell you, it's a tank. They try to intimidate you by those things, but, you know, like I said, you know, it's, okay, an example of what's going on. If people read the book of Ma'am, it talks about these tanks in Ma'am. Ever in the history, that anything like this has ever happened, there have never been tanks involved. Well, why now? You know, they're trying to say that we're setting the stage up, you know, that we've read these prophecies, and we're making it happen. Well, hey, we didn't tell them to bring their tanks up there. You know, they're complaining because they've been there, they're going to go home. They'll go home. You know, we didn't invite them in the first place. Well, that's true. Why, how did you get to ride in one of these things? When we came out, that is how they transported us out of there. Those aren't me. They asked me to drive my car out. They had already ran over it the previous night, or previous afternoon, with a tank. They ran over your car with a tank, and then they wanted you to drive it out? Oh, my goodness. So, when you came out, how many people came out with you? Just my cell phone. One other lady. And so they asked you to get in this tank, and then they took you where? They made you, they, okay, headed the rain, and whoever asked the weather out here, the place was really muddy. The tank's really torn the place up pretty bad. When you went out and you approached the tank, they would yell at you, show a lot from your eyes, but you went out at night, call her at you, told you to throw your stuff down on the ground in the mud, and then they would search you, and then, you know, they would get you all your belongings, and then they would take you to, I guess it was one of the, I couldn't see outside the tank, so I really don't know where the checkpoint was. So where did, where we transferred to a car. Then where did you eventually end up? We went to do finger planted at TSTI, and then went to McClungon County Jail. And then where did you go? From there, I am now in a Salvation Army halfway house in Rachel, Texas. In a Salvation Army halfway house. Can you find it by the federal government to house federal prisoners or inmates. So the Salvation Army is receiving funds from the federal government to house prisoners? I thought the Salvation Army was a church. Yeah, well, you learn new things every day when you get in this situation. So you're being held prisoner by the Salvation Army? Oh, yeah, like I said, it started by the federal government. Oh, this is incredible. You're, you can't come and go as you please. No, it's under house arrest. We're not even allowed to walk out the front door. We have no media time, a company photographs of us but you don't do any live interviews. So who is serving as the guard for this play? Well, you're in the house arrest, so therefore they are leaving it up to us that we don't break any of the rules. If we break any of the rules, then we go back to the morning jail. Oh, I see. So you're being held under threat of going to a hard-court jail. Yes. I understand. Now, were you afraid when you were in there and all the shootings took place and you saw people killed and wounded? No, it was different, but, you know, again, you know, we did lines, you know, these things. We knew something was going to happen, you know, because we realized the time that we were living in, but we had no idea that it was going to be this particular thing. Well, what crossed your mind when you saw people getting killed and bullets coming through the walls? Well, I wasn't in that situation. I mean, as far as everybody was going on the floor. Matter of fact, I was holding one of the girls there was a baby when all this happened and this baby was about six or eight months old. So it was all I could do to try to keep this baby calm. out. So, you know. How many people inside were killed? Uh, six. They were refusing to believe. They were saying that David lied so much that they don't know whether to believe him or not believe him. They knew point blank on the first day that there were six people in there dead. Just because when they did a ceasefire, we let them come in and take their dead and we're wounded out. They promised to come in and take our dead out, which they did not do. And they would not give you any medical supplies or food or water or anything like that? No, we had water, but no, they weren't going to do anything to benefit us because they wouldn't give everybody to come out and turn them out. Were all the dead men and women? Excuse me? Were the dead men and women? There was one woman and five men. One woman and five men. No children were killed? That's another thing that hasn't been released so I can't comment on that. But one of the people that they already know which was on the outside trying to get in was Mike Schroeder. Which right now they have not yet released his body either. His family cannot even get his body. They won't release it. So you're telling you can't tell me if there were any children killed? No. Like I said again, that's information that hasn't been released. Why in the world would anybody want to keep that a secret? Well, if I told you, I was going to get caught down. How many people were wounded? There were ones from David himself and about four others. Well, we have reports that David's daughter was killed. Is that true? Well, again, you know, this is something that, you know, I'm not going to comment on at this point. When no of this comes out, you'll see why later on. Okay. Well, Rita, what is the attitude of the people who are still inside the church? Great. They have good morale? Definitely. Because, again, you know, we know that God is in control of the whole situation. Are these people willing to die before they come out? Well, how would you have to go in and do the same thing they did before and there's not much of a choice? Again, you know, we know where we're at as far as the fields. We know that we are in the fields. So, again, you would have to learn what these fields are in order to know where we're going to understand. And this is not just something that you can just tell somebody, because the fields are a progression thing. You're not going to understand the second one until you learn the first. understand the first. So, basically, they're not going by anything other than Scripture. That's right. You know, it's supposed to be the Word of God, but if you believe the Bible, we want God's Word to get through. I mean, you know, that's the only thing we really can't live by. It's God's Word. You know, there's kind of make out like it's David's Word. Well, it's not the circumstances that I want. You know, God wrote it. David's just, you know, preaching it. Have you learned anything from all of this, Rita, that you'd like to share with the listeners? What do we mean? Or anything at all? As far as what I've been to, the baby, or this situation? Anything. Anything that you might think is important that you've learned from this that you would like to share with the listeners? I have learned that David can open up these fields, and this is the issue here. The federal government is trying to stop him from teaching every soul on this earth those fields, which we know that God isn't going to allow that to happen, because he didn't put them in there for them to be filled up. It could fill them up to the time of the end. And it talks about they'll become no longer. Well, we're in that time now. So, you know, he's going to get the word out. You know? What do you think is going to happen to David Koresh when this is all over? Well, again, if you read what was put up on the banner, you know, you can see. Well, you told me what those were, and I've just learned that. After we finish, I will play it back to tape and look up all those references. But... There are lots. I didn't give you all of them. On the letter, the first-page letter that was sent out, was Isaiah 45, Revelation 2, 7, Revelation 18, Psalms 2, Jeremiah 15, 22 to 25, and Psalms 18. They're saying that David is threatening them by who's one of them. Is it the word of David Christ, or is it the word of God? They're saying that David is threatening them by sending them with scriptures in. Good grief. And so far, they haven't... You know, one thing that baffles everybody is if they're just after David Koresh, why didn't they wait until he went into town to arrest him? Why did they come out and cause all the loss of life, and now a siege with people inside and children? David has been a big money maker. That's why they had the press and everything there. That's why they had started this series of articles. It was to make him and God and then government do this big raid so that they could be funded for however long they're funded for. Well, the BATF is an agency of government that receives funding every year. Well, I fed after this. They may not decide to ever keep them. They're causing the government more money than anything else that's ever happened in law enforcement in the history of the country. And not only that, but we know, we found out that they've broken just about every law that there is in the process. You were a member of the church. You were in there doing your Bible study when the BATF and the FBI came up with these big cattle car bus things and piled out. And did they walk up and politely try to serve a warrant? No. They were climbing, sticking ladders, climbing up all over the roof, busting up the windows. So they couldn't wait to even see if David was even there. So they just jumped out and began shooting and putting up ladders and breaking windows and this kind of thing. They sure did. Wow. And then the church members, what did they do? Well, like I said, I can only say from where I was at and I was in my room and if you walked over to a window and kind of, man, what is going on? You know, you're looking out and they would just haul a window and lay the window with gunfire. So if you just went over and tried to look out the window, somebody would haul a window and then all of a sudden bullets would start coming through your window? They would and it happened to the kids. It happened to myself and the other one. So what did you do? I got down, they didn't get back up. You got down on the floor and stayed there? Mm-hmm. And so you were, how long were you in there surrounded by the BATF and the FBI with dead and wounded in the church until you decided to come out? Well, that day, that same within the hour, there was a ceasefire call in that, you know, everybody was told, you know, there were white people hiding behind barrels and stuff, you know, way over on the north end of the building and, you know, there would be God coming and, hey, you need a ceasefire, go ahead, get out of here, you know, and they'd say, well, you know, how can we trust you, you know, and they said, go on, get out. But, you know, everybody, you know, I can't tell you everything that went on in the building because, like I said, it is a large plane. But how long were you there before you decided to leave? Well, I was there from February the 28th until March the 25th. So you were there almost, uh, just about seven days short of a month before you decided to come out. And when you came out, uh, it was, it was what? To, to, did you just, to do negotiations with them? Yeah, it was part of the negotiations. Oh, it was part of the negotiations? In other words, they negotiated for you to come out? How did they even know you were in there? Well, we would talk to them on the phone. Everyone would talk to them, we made them, uh, we made it very clear that we were not being held hostage in there. You know, we would hear them, you know, on their press conferences saying how they could hold a keep a hostage. So we would just get on the phone and talk to them and tell them we were there because we wanted to be there. And they talked you into coming out? And, uh, well, this started when, okay, the kids were sent out for the children. Then those had sent a thousand dollars out for them to send in six gallons of milk. Which they didn't do. He paid a thousand dollars for six gallons of milk and they didn't send it to him? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. We also found when the children were put it in, they had bugs. Had what? Had bugs in. Listening devices. Oh, bugs were in the containers? Oh, yeah. Did anybody drink the milk? Uh, well, they had put the milk in the coolers and the bugs were inside the coolers. Uh-huh. Uh, we also found the children were going to send them video tapes in. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. The cases that they sent the video tapes in were extremely nice, so they got the milk in the milk and they were also bugs. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. They took the tape on the intense room and give them Bible studies. They were doing Bible studies. So then that's when they stopped negotiating the milk for forever. because all they got over the bugs was Bible studies? Yeah. Uh-huh. That's wonderful. They really didn't appreciate it, sir, but they will one day. How many people all total came out up to this time? I'm not sure. They were 20. I think about 21 children and there's about probably about 12 or 13 of us, the adults. So about 21 children and 12 or 13 adults. Are all the adults in the same place? Yeah. How many others are there with you? I think I'm understanding the county jail because they have kept charges under them. Anytime we have found that they try to modify our orders as far as being a material, they can only hold you for so many days. Uh-huh. So anytime your attorney tries to get a court to modify your order, then they start taking charges on conspiracy charges and attempted murder and whatever they decide. So that you can't get out. Now why is it that they don't want you out? Uh, I don't know. Evidently they want to follow together and, uh, you know, so they don't have to go all over the country because there are people from all over the country here. So, you know, I guess they don't want to have to round the ball up if they want to know something. But it sounds to me like you're not a material witness for them. It sounds to me like you're a material witness against them. Why would they want to hold you as a material witness if everything you're going to say is going to be against them? I just don't know. That's a good question. Could it be so that you can't get on television and talk to the American people? Well, they control it quite a bit. They have done a lot of things that they have covered up and they are hoping that it doesn't get out. Oh, it's going to get out. I guarantee you that. It's going to get out. Whatever they've done is going to get out. There are an awful lot of us out here working toward that end. We've heard reports that some of the children were poisoned by the milk that was sent in. Is that true? Okay, so that's a false report. We've also, well, we don't want to, you said you didn't want to talk about any children that may have been killed. Were there any children wounded? Pardon? No. No children wounded, but you can't say if any children were killed or not? No. Okay, so there are any of the other people who were in the church who came out in that same halfway house with you? Oh, yes. There are four other women who have gag orders. Oh, they do? Yes. You don't have gag orders? No, because I brought up my attorney that I mean, too. If they want to put a gag order on me, if they want to treat me like a criminal, they'll take insurance into me. You know, I haven't known anything, and so there's no reason I shouldn't be able to speak to who never I wish, whenever I wish. So you don't have a gag order on you? No. Well, why are there gag orders on the other women? Well, don't care, not human sex citizens. Well, a gag order has no legal standing whatsoever unless it's issued by a judge. You might want to tell them that. And if they'd like to talk to me, I sure will do it under the same terms that I did it with you. Okay, Rita, thank you very much, and I want you to know that there are an awful lot of us out here who understand the Constitution, we understand the religious issues, we understand what's going on there, and we are with you, and we are with the people who are in that church, and we will always be looking to bring out the truth whenever and however we can, and whatever the truth is, it's going to come out eventually. Yeah, we know that's right, but you know, it's just like I said, I wasn't aware that this stuff wasn't getting around all over. I would have been on the phone a whole lot more. No, it's not getting out at all. In fact, most American people don't know anything except this, that they're told that David Koresh believes that he's Jesus Christ and has said that he's Jesus Christ, that he's holding everybody else hostage, that he has been collecting illegal arms, which include .50 caliber machine guns, and that he and the Branch Davidian were going to attack the city of Waco, Texas. That's certainly bizarre, especially when in the initial raid on February 28th, he was shot twice. I think he could have been overpowered by anybody there, even a child. Did he try to stop the firing? Yes, he did. He had his body halfway sticking out the door, and one arm sticking out, and he was yelling. He was saying, you know, get back, talk about this, and women and the kids are here. So he was trying to stop bloodshed. Okay, Rita, we're out of time. We thank you, God bless you. Hello, folks, this is William Cooper for Swiss America Trading. As you know, a fire has caused us to move. 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