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Poor little, poor little fellows. Didn't mean to hurt their little feelings, but they didn't seem to mind that they hurt an awful lot of people across this country. In fact, they could have started a war. People were loading their weapons. They were gearing up. Some people ran out of their homes in a panic and spent every dime they had on food and water. You see, they can talk all they want to about having made a disclaimer, but that's a crock of crap on shortwave. You're lucky if you hear every third sentence in some areas of the country. And in shortwave, a lot of people are tuning through the bands and wouldn't have heard it no matter what. What they did was inexcusable. It was despicable. It was wrong. And they can cry all they want to. I will not change my opinion about that. And I will not let them off the hook. And folks, they did not do it to prepare you for anything. They did it to sell an awful lot of gold and silver coins to line their own nest with. And the quicker all you dummies out there figure that out, the better off you're going to be. And if you don't like to hear this, frankly, my dear Scarlett, I don't give a damn. You can turn off your radio and never listen to me again for the rest of your life. It won't bother me a bit. I know the intelligent people out there will be there. The loss of a few dummies isn't going to hurt us one way or another. Remember, folks, I'm not in this for the ratings. I'm not a professional radio person, and I'm not selling you anything on this broadcast. In fact, sometimes I do shows without even plugging my own sponsor. I'm here to try to save this country. And only smart, intelligent people are going to be able to help me do that. The rest of you, you're the flotsam and jetsam on the sea of life. You'll be tossed about by the waves and the storm. Some of you will be stranded high on the beach, and you'll dry out and wither in the sun. Some of you will drift around in the eddies and the currents, not having any power or direction over where you end up. That's the way it's always been throughout history. It's the way it is now. It's probably the way it always will be. And as usual, you will be at the mercy of the 3% to 5% who actually direct the course of the future. Don't go away, folks. I'll be back in just a few moments with Michelle Moore, the Oklahoma Station Chief for the Intelligence Service of the Second Continental Army of the Republic. Music by Michael Monson Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son? Oh, where have you been, my darling young one? I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains I've walked and I've cried on six crooked highways I've stepped in the middle of seven sad forests I've been out in front of a dozen dead oceans I've been ten thousand miles in the mouth of a graveyard And it's hard, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard It's always gonna fall What did you hear, my blue eyes and sun? Oh, what did you hear, my darling young woman? Oh, the sound of a thunder that roared out of warning Oh, the roar of a wave that shoots around the whole world Oh, the one hundred tremors each hand to a blazing Oh, the ten thousand whispers of our nation Oh, the one burst the sound of many people laughing Oh, the song of a fire that died in the gutting Oh, the sound of a down, it's lovely, I do And it's hard, it's hard It's hard, it's hard Well, welcome, Michelle, to the Hour of the Time. Good evening, Bill. Good evening to you. I played that just for you. It sounds like a lot of our telephone calls. It does indeed. Yeah, it does. Well, we've got, looking through the notes, if we have time, there's probably four things we should talk about to bring people up to snuff on what's been happening here. Okay. Why don't you just lead right into it and take us whither you will. Okay. I want to talk about Hoppy Heidelberg first because that's probably making the biggest splash in the media right now. And there's some information about this going through the national news rotations. Occasionally you can hear a little bit of it on CNN. But folks that don't live here have no idea. They just don't have a clue what's really going on with Hoppy Heidelberg. Now, for the ones who not only don't live there and don't have a clue, but for the ones who are just out in outer space, who is Hoppy Heidelberg? Okay. Hoppy Heidelberg is a horse breeder who lives in Blanchard, Oklahoma, and he is also a member of the federal grand jury that was interviewing, well, they were listening to the witnesses who were called before it to come up with the indictments against McVeigh Nicholson, 48, in the Oklahoma City bombing. Okay. He is a disgruntled grand jury member. Now, he's the only one who's really tried to make the grand jury work in the manner that it should. The grand jury is supposed to be an autonomous body away from the authority of the prosecutors or the district attorney or the judges or anything else. And once they are formed, they literally have the power of subpoena and to question and to bring indictments and all kinds of things. But that's not the way it's working, is it? No, not at all. That's not how it has worked out at all. And Heidelberg has been the only one who has really come forward and made a big stink. And his biggest complaint has been that the people in charge of the grand jury, I guess the prosecuting attorneys, would not allow any grand jury member to question the witnesses directly. So there was just sort of an audience watching this parade of people go by, and the witnesses were only being asked those questions that the prosecutors wanted to have asked. And in addition, he was upset that there were well over a dozen witnesses that he wanted to have brought before the grand jury and supposedly other grand jury members wanted to see these additional witnesses as well. And the federal prosecutors would not allow them to appear. And these witnesses, of course, were the people who had eye-to-eye contact with the John Doe 2. Not one single John Doe 2 witness was allowed to come before the grand jury. And as far as Heidelberg is concerned, that is the one big remaining question is, who is the dude and where is he? And he thinks that the feds know a lot more than they're saying about that subject. And that's part of the reason why he's making his big public complaint. And on October 5th, he wrote a letter to the Honorable David R. Russell, federal judge, expressing his opinion about this. And then, of course, he was fired. Now, I have a copy of that letter. And if we have time, I'd like to read it. I don't think any but two or three paragraphs of this have ever been quoted in the media. Go ahead. Okay. This is the letter from Hoppy Heidelberg to the Honorable David R. Russell, and it is dated October 5th, 1995. Dear Judge Russell, pursuant to instructions from lead prosecutor Joseph Hartzler, I write to you this letter to express my concerns about the Oklahoma City bombing investigation. January is coming upon us fast, and I am concerned that there will then be no one in authority with sufficient motivation to pursue the case. The families of the victims deserve to know who all was involved in the bombing, and there appears to be an attempt to protect the identity of 30 suspects, namely John Doe, number two, evidenced by the following. One, the hoax perpetrated by authorities that John Doe, too, was a Fort Raleigh private who rented a truck on a different day. The Fort Raleigh private was not with Tim McVeigh, nor does he remotely resemble the police sketch of John Doe, number two. Two, the lack of witnesses relating to John Doe, number two, namely, A, the manager of the Great Western Inn on I-70 in Junction City, Kansas, where John Doe, too, registered using a foreign name and reportedly stayed in room number 107. This manager apparently reported that John Doe, number two, spoke in broken English and was driving the mystery second rider truck. Strangely, this manager has reportedly disappeared and cannot be found. B, the Elliott's body shop employee that reportedly gave the FBI artist the description of Tim McVeigh and John Doe, number two. The McVeigh sketch is almost perfect, and there is no reason to doubt that the John Doe, too, sketch is less so. And C, the Oklahoma City tire shop employee who saw John Doe, number two, in the rider truck with McVeigh shortly before the explosion. That's Mike Moroz, by the way, that he's talking about. Okay. Number three, the lack of the use of the John Doe, too, sketch in interviewing witnesses that apparently saw him in locations other than those previously acknowledged. Perhaps a new grand jury should be in panels in 1996 dedicated to this investigation. If so, I suggest the following list of witnesses that need to be subpoenaed for testimony. One, the manager at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing of the Great Western Inn on I-70 in Junction City, Kansas, if he is still alive and can be found. Two, the Fort Raleigh private, identified by the authorities as John Doe, number two. Of course, that's Todd Bunting. Three, architect, structural engineers, and explosive experts selected by the grand jury. Four, aerial seismologists and geophysicists, including Dr. Ray Brown. Five, all video surveillance tapes from cameras near the Murrah building, including the one made by a South Western Bell camera, which reportedly shows John Doe, too, getting out of the rider truck before McVeigh drove it to the Murrah building. Eight, Ralph McPeak, Jr. Seven, Dickie Beamer. Eight, Tom Kessinger. Nine, Hilda Sospa. Ten, Mike Moroz. Eleven, James Rosencrantz. Time may be of the essence before witnesses disappear or lose their memories or their materials. The truth is as important to you as it is to me. I trust, therefore, your response will be eagerly awaited. Very quickly yours, Hoppy Heidelberg. To which, on October 24, 1995, Judge Russell replied, Dear Mr. Heidelberg, Effective immediately, you are dismissed from the grand jury. Your obligation of secrecy continues. Any disclosure of matters that occurred before the grand jury constitutes a contempt of court. Each violation of the obligation of secrecy may be punished cumulatively. Sincerely, David L. Russell, United States District Judge. For now, Hoppy Heidelberg is suing Judge Russell. Because you can't be fired from the grand jury. That's right. The grand jury is an autonomous body. The judge has no authority to fire someone on the grand jury or to refuse the subpoenas that they wish to issue or to refuse their wish to ask questions of the witnesses that are brought before them. And neither can the district's attorney or the prosecutor. The interesting thing about this is that Hoppy Heidelberg has not at any time revealed anything about the testimony that took place in the closed doors of the grand jury chamber. All he has done is gripe about testimony that did not occur. Well, apparently they claim that he did an interview with some magazine and the interview was taped and they now have a complete transcript of that tape and they say that he did. I have not seen that transcript. Have you? No. I have not read it. The transcript is in excess of 200 pages long. Must have been a long conversation. Yeah. Heidelberg says that he was contacted by Media Bypass magazine and just had a conversation on the phone with the representative. They betrayed their source. Is that what he's saying? They taped the conversation without his knowledge or permission. They took his comments out of context. They betrayed their source. And then they printed an article with bits and pieces of it which Heidelberg says over half is wrong. Well. So, you know, what else is near with the media? That's correct. So, anyway, Heidelberg is bringing suit against Judge Russell. He's probably going to sue Media Bypass, but I have not had that confirmed yet. And now he's being raked over the coals in the newspapers because he holds certain beliefs that they think undermine his credibility. And therefore, we should dismiss his comments about the failure of the grand jury to be allowed to question witnesses and the failure of the grand jury to call witnesses. That's the old socialist trick of when you can't dispute the facts, you attack the credibility of the person. You know, I've said it many times on the air here because I come under all kinds of accusations and everything, and so does anybody else who ever stands up to speak the truth. When they can't deal with the facts, when they can't deal with the research, they attack the character of the person. So I've said on the radio many times, especially in the early days of this broadcast, and even as recently as last year, for my listeners to think of me as a murderer, a child molester, someone who robs banks, a miserable drunk rolling in the gutter. And once you've got that in your mind, and it's clear that that's who I am, then I want you to see if it changes any of the facts or any of the research or any of the documentation. And American people don't ever do that. And that has always been a complete and utter amazement to me. They're doing this with Mr. Heidelberg, attempting to make him look like some kind of a dismissal character. And the only thing that they have used against him is that he believes that there's a man in Dallas called White who died many years ago who was a part of the assassination team for President Kennedy. Right. Roscoe White. Roscoe White. That's right. So that's what they're trying to do. They're spreading this tale that he believes that Roscoe White was part of the assassination team that killed President Kennedy, and therefore the public should not listen to Hoppy Heidelberg. Well, there's more reasons for doing that than just discrediting him and the grand jury thing. The defense team attorneys headed by Stephen Jones have happily accepted Hoppy's comments, and they want to interview all of the grand jurors privately. And they believe that because the grand jury system failed in this case, because of the prosecution's interference with it, that the indictments against McVeigh and Nicholas should be dropped. Now, they're not discounting the possibility that if a new federal grand jury were called, they would be re-indicted on the charges. But clearly this particular grand jury that handled this particular situation failed. Well, it only failed because the people are ignorant. If the people on that grand jury really knew the true facts about a grand jury, and the prosecutor tried to manipulate the grand jury, they could issue an indictment against the prosecutor, and they don't even know that they have that power. Yes, and during the process of the grand jury investigation. In fact, if you want to know the truth, Hoppy Heidelberg could refuse to be fired from the grand jury. He could go back into the grand jury chamber, and he could educate those people and issue an indictment against the judge that tried to fire him. I'll tell him he said that. I wish somebody would. I'll tell him that. Because he's definitely anxious to take action in this regard. When the investigation was occurring, he kind of verbally duped it out with the prosecutors, because he said, we have a right to call witnesses. We have a right to question witnesses. They said, you sit there, sit up, and listen. And then during the course of the questioning, he would just jump in there and ask questions anyway. And the prosecutors would try to stomp on him. And so they finally reached a compromise where Hoppy would be allowed to ask a few questions, provided he presented the questions to the prosecutors in advance so they knew what he was going to ask. Well, they sure wrested the power away from the people, haven't they? They have. They have. And that's something else that's made everybody very upset. Indeed, very upset. So, you know, there are a lot of reasons why the media and the feds want to discredit Mr. Heidelberg. I think he's got some good, solid legal foundations to stand on if he'll just keep on standing. Not only that, if they refuse to cow him and he gets any inkling of what the real power of the grand jury is and the truth of their autonomy, he could turn the tables on these people. Well, you know... I think they're afraid of him. Well, of course they are. Of course they are. Because if what he said is true, then we have obstruction of justice on the part of some of the federal prosecutors. Yes. And that was one of the things that State Representative Charles Key was bringing up in his request for a counted grand jury to investigate this. Now, he filed his petition on the 27th with Mr. Wilburn, who is the father of Edie Smith, whose two sons were killed in the explosion. And today, the judge to whom they presented the petition denied the petition for unspecified deficiencies in that they felt it wasn't specific enough. So the... What can be more specific? We want a county grand jury. I mean, isn't that specific? Right. Right. So it's not yet yet. There are still things that can occur to bring this about. But basically, the way things stand at this moment on this day is that the feds got their shot at it, and they're not going to let anybody else have a shot at it at any other level. Certainly looks that way, but it doesn't have to remain that way. No, it doesn't. Okay. Let's go on to the next subject. Okay. Let's see. Let's talk about prior knowledge. Okay. Of the bombing. Okay. Okay. Let me see. How close are we to the break, Bill? Well, we've got about four minutes until the break. That's a long time. Yeah, it is. We know that people were going all around the country telling people to watch Oklahoma. Right. Right. Now, I'm going to have to take everybody back in time, okay, to August. Now, on August the 10th was the day that the indictments against McVeigh and Nichols were handed down, and all of the different people involved held big press conferences. You know, Janet Reno did one from Washington, and Hartford and the prosecutors, Patrick Ryan, did one from here, and Stephen Jones and his boys and Michael Tiger, they all did press conferences that day. And in the course of Stephen Jones' press conference, he released to the public a copy of a letter of immunity that was provided to an informer. And basically, the U.S. Marshal Service... In Colorado. In Denver, Colorado, granted immunity to an unknown informant. He's not unknown. We know who he is. Okay, well... You know who he is, but don't tell the listening audience. Yes. Okay. We'll just make it clear. Okay. I'll read a little bit of this, okay? It's not very long. Okay. Dear Mr. Blank, this is dated September 14, 1994. Dear Mr. Blank, this letter is to memorialize the agreement between you and the United States of America by the undersigned Assistant United States Attorney. The terms of this agreement are as follows. One, you have contacted the U.S. Marshal Service on today's date, indicating that you have information concerning a conspiracy and or attempt to destroy United States court facilities in blank and possibly other cities. Parts of this letter have been redacted. Of course. Okay? Two, the United States agrees that any statement and or information that you provide relevant to this conspiracy or conspiracies or attempt will not be used against you in any criminal proceeding. Further, the United States agrees that no evidence derived from the information or statements provided by you will be used in any way against you, and so forth and so on. And they say that if you agree to accept the terms of this agreement, you acknowledge your acceptance by signing below, and then if he ever blows it, they can charge him with everything they want to. Right. That's basically the terms of it. Okay, we have... Well, we know that they wouldn't, because then it would come out in court that they knew that that building was going to be blown up, and exactly what day it was going to be blown up, and most likely by whom. Yes. Okay. Then, on April the 1st, 1995, allegedly, a letter of warning was sent by this informant to the Denver Office of the U.S. Marshal Service. And this was a bomb warning letter. Okay, now, U.S. Marshal Tina Lewis Rowe in Denver denies that the informant gave them any information about the imminent bombing. At the same time that she says they know nothing about it, the U.S. attorney in Denver, Henry Solano, said that Oklahoma City was not notified about the informant's information, which Rowe says they didn't have, okay? Mm-hmm. Because they deemed it not credible. Right. The reason they deemed it not credible is because the informant had served eight years of a prison term and had received some treatment in a mental hospital, and I wonder what kind of treatment that was. So then, that floats in the media. Nobody talks about it. It kind of dies a quiet death until we begin to talk to the people here in Oklahoma City. And the information is coming out. Gosh, the list of people who knew about the bombing prior to the bombing is incredible. It is incredible. It is incredible. Dr. Randall Heather, our local terrorism expert, in an interview at about 1 o'clock in the afternoon of the day of the bombing, said plain to stay on TV that he knew the FBI had received a warning that week. Yeah. And then the security guard of 5010 Place, when they were evacuating the FBI offices there, said he knew about the bomb threat. And we've got Nurse Tony Garrett on the scene who knew about the bomb threat and knew the bomb squad had been there that morning. Hold on. We've got to take our break. Okay. Hold that thought. We'll hold. And all of you out there, don't go away, because a lot more revealing information to come. We'll check out. Bye. The End The End The End Without even giving them a commercial Whenever I feel like it When I feel that the information is more important And they back this broadcast Because they believe In the message And they believe in the quality of the research And they believe In me And that says an awful lot You owe them Your business Because they care enough to bring you this broadcast And that's Important You see you're not getting an hour of Salesmanship from Swiss America Trading You're getting an hour of Real information And when I decide to give them a commercial You don't ever get longer than four minutes And sometimes it's a lot shorter than that So sit down and Stop being An airhead If you have been one in the past Start being a real Intelligent person Start backing Your own People I hope that's sinking in to you I hope you understand What that little trick last night was all about And I hope you didn't fall for it Call Swiss America Trading 1-800-289-2646 That's 1-800-289-2646 Get your hands on some Real money Talk to some people Who will help you figure out a way to do it Without causing you to age 20 years It's important That you take care Of what you've earned Don't believe That you're going to jump in And make a big Giant killing In the metals market You're going to protect what you have And that's what's important 1-800-289-2646 And when we get back to Michelle I'm going to ask her what she thought about that folks And welcome to the Back to the hour of the time Our guest tonight is Michelle Moore She's not just the Oklahoma station chief I believe she has four states That work under her supervision But we're talking about Oklahoma tonight Michelle what did you think about Viking International's little Trick last night? I thought it was irresponsible And opportunistic And slimy scumbag If you want to You think about it in terms of being the malicious 19 What was that? War of the Worlds 1938 War of the Worlds Back then folks were jumping out of buildings And firing at water towers And just losing touch with reality And the same thing was happening here With a lot of people who forgot that they're supposed to document things Before they take extreme action And people went into a panic And you were right when you were talking about it earlier That it did hurt a lot of people And freaked a lot of people out And life is scary enough as it is We don't need to make it worse I just think that it was extremely irresponsible And if anything bad happens to anybody They really ought to sue I think they should also I know that that's against the law to do that And I don't know if anything will happen because of it But anyway let's go on with where you left off Okay well we were talking about people and agencies That had prior knowledge of the bombing This bombing was no surprise to anybody Except the people who were killed And we have a statement from Norma Smith Who was an employee in the courthouse And she saw the bomb squad In front of the Murrah building Between 7.30 and 8 o'clock in the morning We have a statement from Lester Marks Who is the agent in charge of the Dallas ATF office And he confirmed the existence of some kind of a sting operation The night before and said Quote The bad guys didn't show up Now between you and me I don't know if I can take the word of a BATF officer About anything ever But he did say that Okay Well you're right But we do know that at least part of the intent Of this whole thing was a sting There were people And two of them were Were John Doe number two And what people have described as being Tim McVeigh Who traveled all over the country Telling people To watch Oklahoma City And that they were going to do something They didn't tell anybody what they were going to do They just said watch Oklahoma City And there were not just these people Who have been accused But other people doing this And they were doing this to patriot leaders And patriot militia people Around the country To try to entrap them into helping them And some of them may have been Lured into that I don't really know I think the whole thing's backfired And I think they weren't able to affect that sting thing But what the rest of it We know exactly what that was This is the American Reichstag All over again But go ahead and continue I wanted to make sure That everybody does know That at least part of the intent Of why they let this thing go through And why the whole thing was probably Dreamed up and promulgated And caused to happen in the first place Was to try to discredit American patriots I don't really believe That any American patriots Bought into this thing Some may have I don't know Well pursuing that same line of thought Before I get back to prior knowledge About the people involved And going around the country Trying to sell this idea We do have this one odd incident That first hit the press On the 26th of August About Eric Aaron Leiter Of Honolulu, Hawaii Yes He's wacko He was involved with Waco And a lot of disinformation But go ahead Talk about him Well he filed 30 pounds worth of documents With the courts Asking to be included As a co-defendant With Nicholson McVeigh And he said This is a quote from him Quote I already received The threatening call From a CIA cooperative That because of my disclosures The next bomb will be my fault Because of my disclosures This is no longer true Unquote He claims he participated In the international promotion And distribution of the bomb plans And the detonation sequence Of the actual main bomb Used in the Moore building Now when I first saw that My initial thought was There's always somebody Who wants to confess To every murder You know Whether they did it or not Yeah And I don't know If he's one of those people But he keeps timing up And he keeps filing papers And trying to get in And I don't know His background His history I can't find anything about him His background is one Indicative of someone Who suffers from a mental illness That's what his background Appears to be In our study here Well he is certainly Providing some Entertaining moments And driving the courts crazy Because they have to respond To all of these pounds And pounds And pounds Of documents That he filed Yeah And he just won't go away He did the same thing With Waco Most of it Absolute total bullshit Right Well let's go back To prior knowledge Before I lose that thought We know that The Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms Knew about it Because one of their agents Admitted that they knew about it And explained To the husband Of one of the bombing victims Who was frantically Searching for his wife That the husband Would not find Any DATF agents Around Because they were At a debriefing That morning Presumably about the event Which had just occurred As far as The Oklahoma Fire Department Goes We've now Got confirmation That they were warned On Friday Before the bombing Of a possible Terrorist act By the Federal Bureau Of Investigation The people who have Confirmed this And said that This is a true statement Are Keith Gaines Assistant Chief Weathers Assistant Chief John Hanson And Dispatcher Persher All in the Oklahoma City Fire Department And we've also learned From Chief Hanson Now that the Communication tapes That would have had The recorded record Of this Were destroyed They were taped over All of those tapes From the Friday Before the bombing Through the morning Of the bombing Had been taped over How convenient This You would think In something that was The largest criminal act Of the entire history Of the state That due diligence Would demand That you not Take over those Now we don't know If this is accidental I'm not making Any accusations here But the statement of fact Is that They're gone It's history So Anyway A lot of people Knew about it In advance Easily 25% Of the people Who should have been At work that morning Were not And then of course We have the questions About the number Of people Who were actually Killed in the bombing And that's another Story we can talk about If you want to Now there's another thing We caught the head Of the ATF there In a barefaced lie Oh yeah Great to go Alec McCauley Right He was the one Who said That He was in the elevator At the time Of the explosion And the elevator Went into A five or six Story free fall It lands And he walks away From the building Unharmed And we know That that's a lie Well yes We do Remember one The elevators Are the kind That have the Safety mechanism That they could Not have fallen No matter what Happened They would have Been wedged By the safety Mechanism In the elevator Shaft And also we have The testimony Of the elevator People themselves Why don't you Talk about that Right Well they would Have never made up That big lie If they'd taken The time to Plan it out A little better But it just so Happened that April the 19th Was the same day That the annual Inspection of the Elevators Was scheduled With the inspectors And the GSA Office So prior to The bombing You've got Three elevator Inspectors Right there In the area Waiting to go Over at the Right time To the building To meet with The general Services Administration Representatives And do the Annual inspection Well before They get there The building Blows up So they Are right there On the scene They had three Other elevator Inspectors Within five Minutes of the Location They all came In They all Checked Every elevator In the building Modern elevators Do not go Into a free fall The only way They can go Into a free fall Is if the cables Are cut Or severed In some way None of the Elevator cables Were severed In any of the Elevators And none of them Fell Once the doors Were jammed Open By the shaking Of the building Those elevators Were stuck Where they Were stuck And none of Them fell They found No people In any of The elevator Cars And that's Just it There was Nobody in There But as far As Alec McCauley Is concerned You know If you jump Off a five Story building You're going To break Your ankle If you don't Walk away You might Roll away Fall away Whatever But he Could not Have fallen In an elevator Five or six Stories And walked Away Unharmed Well it's a Moot point Anyway He said That he did And we know For a fact That's indisputable That he lied It has been Speculated And I Stressed that Word Speculated It has been Speculated That McCauley Made that Story up Because they Desperately Needed to Have a BATF Person or Two In the Building At the Time of The explosion To cover Their tails Yeah well The establishment Media and Everybody else Can speculate All they want To From the Hour of The time You get He flat Lied He's a Liar I'll call Him that To his Face Yeah he Did There's no Doubt About it Now how About Bob Ricks Where did He say He was Well Bob Ricks Said that He was At a Celebrity Golf Tournament For the Special Olympics In Shawnee With conveniently The head Of the DEA And the Head of The Secret Service And what's The truth About that Well we Cannot find Any evidence At all Of a Celebrity Golf Tournament Occurring Anywhere In the State From Newspapers Before and After the Bombing And I Investigated This And Mr. Wilburn Also Investigated This We obtained Copies Of the Shawnee Papers For days Before and Days After I went to The library And checked All of the State Papers And the Little Loper Ones As well For days Before and Days After There was No Celebrity Golf Tournament Anywhere That's right Now he's Still Telling that Story He doesn't Know That We Know And he Specifically Stated that It was In Shawnee Yes he Did And I'll Tell you Something else I've had Other people Call every Golf course In that Entire County In which Shawnee Sits And there Was no Golf tournament Of any Kind Much less Celebrity Any golf Course In that Entire County And there Weren't Very many Right And that Would have Been Tottowater County That's Correct In addition To the Above If I'm Not mistaken I may Be mistaken Wasn't The secret Service head Mr. McCullough I'm not sure If he was The head Of that Department Or not But he's Dead He was Killed That's Right So There's A big Problem Here A very Big Problem Yes The head Of the Secret Service Was killed So he Couldn't Have been Playing Golf With Bob Ricks Well And Bob Ricks That Story Bob Ricks Lied He was Not Playing At a Celebrity Golf Tournament In Shawnee Oklahoma He lied He He Told That To the Press Within The past Three Weeks Yes And it Was On the Front Page Of the Daily Oklahoma So he Just doesn't Know that We know Or he Would not Be saying That Well Unfortunately They think That we're So stupid You see They're so Arrogant Beyond Belief They think That we're Absolutely Stupid Socialists Make this Mistake All the Time And I Make that Statement With no Reservations Bob Ricks Is in On bringing About the Downfall Of the United States I.E. He's a Socialist Because those Are the People who Are bringing About the New World Order There's no Doubt About it And they Have made This mistake Over and Over and Over in Their History They claim To be For the Common Man And they Claim To be Bringing About this Utopian World Where there Will be Only one Class of People And everybody Will live Well And everybody Will share Everything The truth Is they Are extremely Elitist And they Have a Disdain And an Arrogance For the Common Man They hate The common Man They call Them cattle Really To tell you The truth And they Lie to them And they Manipulate them With these Lies And that's Exactly what Bob Ricks Is doing That's exactly What they're All doing And that's Why They think That they're Going to Get away With this Stuff Right Well of course We still Don't have An accurate Body count And we've Got some Problems Out at El Reno So what Do we Address Next What's Next On your List You've Got about Seven Minutes Eight Minutes Okay Well We can Do both Of these Pretty Quickly Sure Let's Talk about The mystery Leg of The body Count The official Death count At this Time Of people Killed in The real Building Or in The Tell In Byron Is 169 On May The 30th When the Rescue workers Removed The last Three bodies From the Imploded Federal Building They found This unidentified Leg Which had Been Traumatically Amputated Above the Knee This Mystery Leg Made The Headlines And it Was stated At that Time That the Leg Belonged To a Caucasian Dark Haired Male Probably Under the Age Of 30 Whose Height In Life Would Have Been Between 5'3 And 5'9 And It Was Clothed In A Black Military Type Combat Booth Size Nine Had Two Socks On And Olive Dragged Browling Strap And This Leg Was Subjected To DNA Testing By Both The OU Health Sciences Center Here In Oklahoma City By The FBI In Washington D.C. By Clyde Snow Here In Norman Who Is A World Class Forensic Anthrop Anthrop Anthrop H Anthrop H Now That Was On Well Let's See The Leg Was Found On The 30th It Hit The Headlines In August Okay Then Time Passes Everybody Is Wondering Who Is The Owner Of The Missing Leg A Lady Thinks It Belongs To Her Son Then Some Reason Something Happened And On The 23rd Of August They Decide No It Wasn't A Caucasian Male Dark Hair It Was A Female With African American Characteristics The Boot Is Now A Woman Size Seven And A Half And So It Remains A Mystery But That Leg Is Just One Part Of The Problem Because We've Also Got 80 Well It's In Excess Of 80 I Want To Make This Point Before You Go Here Are Forensic Experts Here Is The FBI Here Is The Coroner And The Medical Examiners And Forensic Experts All Saying This Was A Caucasian Male With Dark Hair Probably Between Five Five What Five Three And Five Nine Five Five Five Nine With A Boot That Was Size Nine Right And Then All Of A Sudden A Few Weeks Later It Changes To A Black Female And The Boot Size Changes To A Female Seven And A Half Right Now Only A Fool Is Going To Buy This Baloney But Go Ahead Well Nobody Is Buying It And Poor Clyde Snow Who Is Such A Nice Man Went On The Television And Said Oh It All My Five And Then He Continually Left The Country Yeah And At That Point The Mystery Leg Was Mentioned No More A Lot Of People Have Left The Country And Can't Be Found Like The Initial Reporters The Local Media Reporters Who Were On The Scene Initially Can't Be Found Anymore Oh Yeah Deborah Lauren And Dave Ballute Miss Schell Was Promoted Yeah There Are The Other Parts That Were Found When They Were Cleaning Up There Are Over 80 Severed Body Parts Tissue Samples Hair Samples That Have All Been Subjected To DNA Testing None Of Them None Of Them Match Each Other None Of Them Match Any Of The Known Victims Who Have Been Now Buried Now That's Incredible Because What You're Saying There Are 80 More People Who We Have Pieces Of But Nobody Is Saying That They're Missing That's Correct That's Correct And There Has Been Talk Of Upping The Official Death Count Because Of It But Nothing Has Taken Place In That Regard And There's Also Talk Of Burying Them In A Common Tissue Grave But They Can't Do That Until After The Trials Are Over We Had A Big Problem With The Official Death Count Because There Were Three People Who Were Assigned Tagging The Bodies On The Afternoon Of The 19th And Before Dinner Time They Had Tagged 122 But At Dinner Time The Official Death Count Given From The Medical Examiner's Office Was 22 Dead 17 Children So But That Was From The Media That Wasn't Really From The Medical Examiner's Office Well No That's Right Because He Did Not Say That There Was 17 Children That's Right He Didn't It Was The Next Day And He Changed That Official Report To 12 Right And We Never Could Account For The Oddity There Well The Oddity Was They Were Making The Link With Waco Well The Government Said 81 Dead 17 Children Right That Was The Waco Connection Right But They Were Only Claiming Actually 22 Victims At The End Of The Day And They Were Well Over 122 Victims So A lot More People Dead Probably Than They Say And We Don't Know Why And We Don't Know Who They Are And Nobody Is Coming For And Nobody Is To Say My Uncle My Son My Dad Didn't Come Home I Have No Information About This So That Remains A lot Of Unanswered Questions That Need To Be Addressed Somebody Needs To Address Them Well A lot Of People Are Attempting To Do That You Know That Our Our Forces Are Doing Everything That We Can And While We're On The Subject Folks I Have To Tell You That Our Investigation Is Telling Us That This Whole Middle Eastern Arab Thing Is Disinformation It Is The Wrong Way To Go And John Doe Number Two Was Not Arabic He Was Not He Was Not Iranian Or Iraq And He Certainly Wasn't Japanese And The Japanese Were Not Involved In This For All Of You People Out There To Think It Does And Remember Folks Sherman Skolnick Is The Guy That Said Three Israelis Disguised As Goofy Mickey Mouse And Yosemite Sam Snuck Into The White House Killed Vince Foster And Carried His Body Out And Nobody Even Challenged him So Skolnick Is Now Promoting The Japanese Blew Up The Building Thing So You Know He Has Done Some Proper Work In The Past But The Vince Foster And The Japanese He's Gone Off The Cliff And I Don't Know Whether He's Doing It Intentionally Or Whether He's Been Duped Or Whether He's Just Tired And Isn't Checking His Facts Anymore Of You Have To Check That Disney Connection Don't You Always Have To Check The Disney Connection Well We've Got Just A Few Minutes Left Let Me Throw Out The Reno Problem Very Quickly Because Okay You've Got About One Minute All right Former Security Chief Of The Federal Correctional Institution Charles Miltner Demanded That Security In The McVeigh Nichols Ward Be Increased Because First Syringes Were Found On The Food Trays Going Into That Ward And Second A Cigarette Butt Was Found On The Trays And Everything Would Be Checked That Order Was Countermanded By His Supervisor Saying That It Was Too Much Trouble And They Didn't Want Any Of This To Go On So They Put Miltner Basically Under House Arrest Put On Suspension To Stay Home In His Home During Office Hours His Home Was On The Grounds Of The Prison And Since That Time They Continued To Deny Everything And Miltner Has Been Transferred Out Where About Unknown And We Have Tried Very Very Hard And With Tremendous Diligence To Contact Him And With No Success Absolutely It's Been A Very Big Frustration And Now I Have No Idea Where He Is His Attorney David Wilson In Stickler Oklahoma Has No Comment And That's The Only Connection Left That I Can Check Here At The End So There's Another Mystery There's A lot Of Things That We're Still Working On This The Investigation Is Far From Over But We're Doing The Best We Can And We Sure Appreciate All The Help That Everybody Out There Has Given Us And If Anybody Out There Has Additional Information You Can Certainly Make It Anonymously Or If You Want To Give Your Name You Can We Always Protect Our Sources Ladies And Gentlemen That's One Thing That She Just Said That You Can Bank On We Protect Our Sources We Never Ever Betray A Source Under Any Circum And I'll Go To Jail For The Rest Of My Life Rather Than Betray The Trust That Someone Has Put In Me You Can Count On That Also And You Can Count On Michelle She Is Under Oath Of Allegiance She Is A Member Of The Second Continental Army Of The Republic She Is The Station Chief And Has Tremendous Responsibility And Has Proven Over And Over And Over Again That She Is Responsible And Trustworthy And That Her Loyalty Is Always In The Right Place Good Night Michelle And Thank You So Much Thank You Very Much Bill And God Bless Hug Amy For Me Good Night Good Night Folks And God Bless You All Hello He Yun Can Say Can Move Same Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.