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And then we were out there with you two nights. Uh-huh. And so we got to see the demonstration by the Air Force. Or whoever it is. Yeah, whoever it was. We don't know that it's the Air Force. The green guys or whatever they were. Yeah, we don't know what they are. It was a lot of fun though and it was fun to get to see something because I think the kids would have teased me forever if we didn't see something. Yeah, I bet they would have. But they saw everything too. They had a real good time. Yeah, that was really a highlight when they got to see the bizarre antics of that flying machine. Remember July 4th was a Thursday of your time. Right, that was Thursday. And Friday night was the night where we got to see the... Yeah. But what did you think when you got there? Were you kind of skeptical? Oh no, I was really looking forward to it. I've got your book that shows the Nazi war machines back in the 40s. Uh-huh. And that was real interesting information. And then I've always thought it was... Ever since I was a young kid, I always thought it was something the military was doing. I never really thought. Oh, so you didn't buy the deception, huh? No. Well, you can jump in here anytime you want. You know, you're the co-host. It would be kind of fun. And Pooh, Pooh was a lot of fun. And so was her little cute little sister. Did you guys have fun over there? Yeah, we had a lot of fun. We're just wishing we could have talked to you more, but you're too busy playing cards all the time. Ha ha. Hey, Gary. Friday we started with lectures. And I mean Thursday. Yeah, Thursday. July 4th, we started with lectures. Those were real enjoyable, too. We really enjoyed that. And then we went out Thursday night. And we didn't see anything Thursday night at all. I mean, nothing. Just a few shooting stars. That's about it. The sky, yeah. But tell everybody about the sky out there. It's crystal clear and gorgeous. Where we live here in the mountains, we're kind of spoiled, too. It's real pretty here. But there's nothing like the desert. You can... Seems like you can see everything in the desert. Yeah. And there were no lights. None at all. Yeah, there's been a little bit of glow from Vegas. And that was 135 miles away. And there's so many lights in Vegas. You can see the glow of Vegas really well. It looks like a nightlight 130 miles away. Yeah. And then Saturday we had the... I mean, Friday we had the... I guess it was slideshow, wasn't it? Yeah, slideshow. And I think we did some video, too. No, maybe that was Saturday. Yeah, the video was Saturday. I remember that. What'd you think of the slide presentation? It was great. And I'm really glad you forgot that one tray, because that means I might get a couple copies. Well, you'll all get the copy that I promised you. And that one... Blank video, too, so you don't have to buy the video. Pardon? I'm going to send you some blank video, too. Oh, well, thank you. Pray to cost. Thank you. That will help. You know, that slide tray that I forgot was really the best slides of them all. And I'm glad you forgot it. That was great. That was a good oversight on your part. But you still enjoyed what you saw. Well, what we saw was fantastic. I mean, you just don't get to see stuff like that all the time. And a lot of times, you're real skeptical about what you do see, because you don't know what's real and what's fake. Yeah. And so it's really nice to know you're being shown something by someone you trust, and somebody you know would only show you what he saw. Well, not only that, but I documented it and showed you what books they came out of, and their official NASA publications. And you can go find those books and find those same things yourself. Right. And that's what made it fun, too, because you knew you didn't have to sort out the garbage. You know, what you were looking at was documented and well presented. Yeah. Well, let's get to Friday night. What was it that you saw? I mean, we all went out there. Well, we went out and stayed at the mailbox Thursday night. Yeah. And then you know that fight by the back of your hand. You were blasting through the desert at high speed, leaving us in a dust cloud. Well, what I was trying to do was leave you far enough behind so that you didn't have to eat that dust. Yeah, we were able to follow your dust cloud, and finally we got out to the sign that said, beyond this point, we'll shoot you. Yeah. And then when someone walked up to the sign to take a photograph, the headlights went on to let us know they were there. I think that made believers out of all of them. Before, when they saw the headlights off in a distance, they didn't really buy into it. But when they saw the headlights close up, I think you put the seer into a couple of them. But even, well, I saw them run over and throw their cameras in their car and lock their doors. It did scare. It did scare. But I told everybody before we left that the security would be waiting for us right there, just like a spider. Like you said, exactly the way you said it would happen, it happened. And then that flight where you took us to was great as a vantage point and gave us a real clear view of the sky. And it was fun. Well, what I thought was funny, though, is we were spending all that time looking at Groom Lake or towards Groom Lake. And then they pulled their little stunt behind us off in the other valley. Yeah. There's another place where they test these craft north along Highway 93 are, what is the other Highway 118? I forget what it is. But up there north near Ely. And you can see that from the same vantage points in the Tickaboo Valley. And that's really one of the things that we witnessed was them flying the craft north of us while everybody else that was there was watching Groom Guy Lake. And in fact, the Air Force guy that was staying there at the RV camp where I was at, Rachel, he was able to watch the going-ons at the same time we were. Uh-huh. And he said there was four more crafts at a lower level that we couldn't see. Yeah, there may have been because we were looking at the one that was just dancing like crazy above the ground. Yeah, the one that was up high. Yeah. But he said there was four other crafts down low, and he got quite a show. So we could have stayed there at the bar and sat on the porch and watched some parades in there. Uh-huh. Did you guys see anything on Thursday night? Uh, Thursday night we were with you. We were out there at the mailbox. And if you know, every time we saw something, Pooh was asleep. Did you know that? Yeah, that's right. We came up in the cabin and were sleeping a lot. Yeah. I don't blame her, though. It's a long night. Oh, she played and stayed up as long as she could and went gangbusters, but then, you know, she... Did pretty good. Oh, yeah. She did wonderful. For six years old, she was a real trooper. But she fell asleep. It was a lot of fun. It was really fun meeting your family. Your wife's a real sweetheart. You really got lucky with her and giving you two really beautiful kids. Well, thank you. We thought a lot of your family, too. How did Debbie like the trip? She really enjoyed it. She was really pleasantly surprised. You know what's really funny, though? I've got to tell you. They know I'm nuts about you and I listen to you all the time. And one of your devoted fans. And at first they thought your voice was kind of harsh and that you'd be kind of this big thunderous man, you know, that would kind of scare them to death. Uh-huh. And then when they met you and they saw how nice you were, they just couldn't believe it. Oh. Your, uh... Your, um... Your image over the radio is a lot more authoritative than you are in person. In person, you're just real friendly and real pleasant. Real nice person. Well, thank you. But the kids and the wife really... That was one of the first things they noticed was how much fun you were to be around and how pleasant you were. So I was a real nice compliment, I thought. Did you guys... They were a little bit intimidated by you via the radio. Did you guys see any UFOs? Yeah, we did while you were sleeping that night. That Friday night we saw that funny looking... Why don't you describe what you saw, Gary? Well, it was hovering above the mountaintop there. And, um... And it was blinking and then... And then the weird thing for me was... Which at first I just thought I was seeing something... Was the flash of light behind it. Uh-huh. Where it was kind of like a flashbulb with the same effect. Where you're concentrating on this light and all of a sudden there's a sky behind it lights up. And then it dims out. And at first you're thinking you're seeing something because of a sudden increase in the light. Uh-huh. And it kind of makes you blink a couple times. And that was interesting. I'm not sure what they were doing. And if they were shooting something on the ground or blowing something up or... It was like a huge aura around the ground. Yeah, it was like a... It was like a... Like a flashbulb flash. And then whatever moisture or dust or cloud that was close by it was lit up temporarily by it. And then the gore would kind of dim down until it was back to normal. Yeah. It was really... It kind of unsettling because you weren't really sure what you were seeing. Because you didn't actually see the source of the light. Yeah. But you knew it wasn't an airplane. You knew it wasn't an airplane. When you knew that was... At first it could have been anything. A helicopter or whatever except a really big helicopter at that distance. Because I had to be at least, what, 20 or 30 miles away at least. Oh, at least 30 miles. Probably more. And so it was a pretty good sized light bulb even at that distance. Yeah. And then when it suddenly moved to the left, I would estimate it moved two or three miles in just a flash. Yeah, just a split. A split. And then it dropped down at an angle towards the ground and then shot straight up like an elevator. Just very, very erratic movement. Very quick. Very fast. But covering a large distance each time it moved. Yeah. And these were not turns. These were actual... Right angles. Right angles and 45 degree angles like instantaneously. Angles, yeah. Very quick. Very fast. Very swift. Matter of fact, if you weren't watching it the whole time, you would think that you missed something. Very fast. Yeah. And everybody witnessed these. Yeah, everybody was watching that. And that was really fun because everybody that hung in there and wanted to spend the night watching, everybody got to see it. Except for a couple people that were sleeping. Yeah. Did you see the one that we saw earlier over the groom's? Oh, you know, I was really upset about that. When I came outside, everybody was all excited. I didn't know why. I was inside my motor home trying to fix a water week. Yeah, I told you not to go away. Right. When I stopped for that cow, suddenly the back of the motor home jumped and I disconnected the water tank. And so I was leaking inside the motor home and I was trying to fix that. So you got caught by one of the roving bovines, huh? Yeah. Did you see that firecracker? Oh, she's talking about the meteorite. Oh, the meteorite. I saw a couple little ones, but I didn't see that big one you guys saw. I'm not sure what I was doing. I was looking at a mouse or something. There was a father that one night I was chasing a mouse around. Oh, yeah. The kangaroo rat. Kangaroo rat, yeah. Yeah, he was hilarious, wasn't he? Yeah, he was a pretty friendly little guy. He wasn't too intimidated by us. No, and I think he was a little upset that somebody put a blanket down there and was lying in his territory. He kept running around the blanket. Yeah. Okay, well, I want to thank you, Gary, for calling. For doing what you did. It was really nice of you to share your time with us and spend so much time educating. It was just terrific. Well, I'm glad that you feel that way. I know everybody had a good time. You guys left early on Saturday afternoon. We were pretty tired, and I knew I had to drive back to Beggersfield. So I'd get back to work first thing Monday, and that was kind of on my mind to hustle back and not be too tired Monday morning. But the little guys wanted to see the lights of Vegas again. That was the primary reason for driving home that night was so they could see Vegas lit up at night. I drove up and down the boulevard a couple times. You didn't go up to the ghost town with us, did you? Yeah, I did. Oh, you did? We went up to the ghost town. We couldn't do it in the motorhome, though. Oh, that's right. Now, that's why I thought you didn't go up, because you didn't. In fact, I found a hunk of dynamite. Oh, you're the one, yeah. He's the guy that was holding that stick of dynamite. Well, I'll tell you what, man. You almost caused a lot of people to have some gray hairs throwing that thing like you did. Well, it was pretty petrified. There was no nitro or anything dripping from it. It was bone dry. Yeah, but you've got to be careful. Dynamite can go off with any kind of shock. Yeah, there was about three or four sticks there, and I picked up that one and was looking at it. I couldn't believe that they were still there. I was surprised to see anything there like that. Yeah, well, that's what you find around those old mines. Yeah, it was fascinating. That was a really fun trip, too. The little ghost town there, that's quite a sight. There's a couple places there that were almost intact, and so you could see how they built their stone huts. It was really fascinating. Yeah. Tell the boys I said hi. Huh? Tell the boys that I said hi. If you said hi, I'll tell them a real beautiful girl said hi. I like that. By God, she's getting prettier every day. I've got to tell you. She's gorgeous. Well, those little girls, you're going to have to lock them up in the house and put a couple machine guns messed up. Well, hopefully that's a few years off yet. I mean, if I've got to face that tomorrow morning, I'm not going to get up. Thanks for calling, Gary. They're pretty tough little kids. I don't think you'll have any trouble with them at all, Bill. Oh, no, especially Pooh. She's the little one showing signs of being tough, too. Yeah, oh, she's a strong little kid. I was impressed with her physical strength at 11 months old. She was incredible. It was great, Bill. I had a great time, and I really thank you for doing what you did. It was a lot of fun. Well, thank you, and thank you for calling. Good night. Good night. Bye-bye. Okay. Okay. The number for the rest of you out there who were with us at Groom Dry Lake, Area 51, call in. It's 520-333-4578, and the line's open. Don't be chicken. Gary was brave, and by golly, it was a very enjoyable call, so we'll see who this is. Bill, you want to do the honors? Sure. Who's calling? Hi, Bill. It's Bill Brumbach. Hi, Bill. How are you? Pretty good. I didn't know. I got a call from Becky. She said that you were taking calls on people that were out at Area 51, so I figured I'd call and put in my two vets. Well, great. Tell us when you got there and what you did and what you learned and what you saw and all that kind of stuff. Did you have a nice trip? I had a real good trip, in spite of the fact I had some challenges getting there. I had a couple breakdowns all the way, but we got out there, and the one night on Skywatch, while we were out there together, I believe it was your wife who was sitting in the back of the truck that I heard first, and she said, I see one. And that's when we looked over and saw that there was an orange-colored disc in the sky, and I believe it was accompanied by a helicopter. Yes, that's correct. Actually, two helicopters. Okay. Well, I had only seen the one through the binoculars that I had, but I'm sure there was two. And then a second disc came up a little bit later on, and there was actually two in the sky, wasn't there? Yes. Yes. Yeah. So that's what I remember. I wish I was picking your show up on Shirtwave. I'm hoping to get a Shirtwave later this week, but I don't know how many people have related the same story, but I hope and pray that they're all giving the straight information, because those cramps were not conventional aircraft. They had nothing to do with technology that the general public is aware of, and some of the little aerobatics that they were performing is beyond, again, aerobatics of conventional technology. What were they doing, Bill? Well, they appeared just to be going through some, I guess, routine maneuvers. I don't know. This is the first time I've been out to Area 51, and the first time I've seen anything like that. But quite frankly, it was very provocative. There was no doubt that they did lift off from Area 51 there, and if not, that's restricted airspace. What were they doing flying there if that's restricted airspace? So I've got to assume that those were government experimental craft of some sort. Yeah. Did you see them make any high-speed movements or right-angle turns? Definitely. Definitely. They made turns. I mean, it was kind of like, oh, goodness, moving a flashlight against a rock or something. I think the turns were that sharp, you know. Yeah. And it was pretty amazing what I saw. I was real impressed, and that alone was worth the trip out there. Did you see the meteorite, the big one? Yes. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I saw a break directly overhead. The gentleman that I was with had brought a camera, and he had just put his camera down, taking it off the shoulder. But, yeah, that thing burned up, and it made quite a little green. It finally ended up, the final color it burned was green. It made quite a little splash against the sky. Yeah, that was really something. I mean, I'd seen those disc-shaped craft flies so many times that I got a bigger kick out of the meteorite. Did you learn something? I'm sorry? Did you learn something? Oh, yes. Yes. Your dad gave some good lectures. I learned quite a little bit, including that was the second testimony I had on why we may or may not have been to the moon. And I'm a tendency to agree that with the conventional Apollo craft that we're seeing now, we certainly did not get to the moon. Not with aircraft. If we did get there, it was involving other technology. Yeah. And I think that's exactly the conclusion that intelligent people all over the place would arrive at if they could actually see the proof that exists. I always wanted to go to the moon. Well, maybe someday you will, honey. You know, the whole future is open for you. You've got a lot of years to go, boy. You could really go to the moon. How about the sun? Well, I don't think that's going to happen. Oh, no. You could go at night. Hey. Well, hey, Bill. It was a greatly informative trip. I met some real interesting people out there that I made some lasting contacts with. I also found a couple of people that lived out there, Chuck Clark and some others that have some very interesting stories. It's real ground-based documented stuff as far as their belief and some of the things that have gone out there. And again, you know, for anybody listening who believes that the government, when the government says that Area 51 doesn't exist, oh, no, no. It's real. And it's out there. And we need to recognize, as I'm sure that you've stated on the air, that since the government is denying its existence to the people of America and yet other nations sell photographs of it, what is so heinous, what is so creepy out there that they don't want to let the people know? Yeah, that's right. You can't get an acknowledgement from the United States government that the place even exists. You can't buy a satellite photograph of the place from the United States government, yet Russia and civilian satellite companies and other countries will sell you satellite photographs of Area 51 because they can overfly it under the Open Skies Treaty any time they want to and take all the photographs that they want, but the American people aren't even allowed to know that it exists. So what are they hiding from us? Well, there's a lot of potential scenarios to run there. As far as experimental aircraft, the fact that there may be a bolt hole there, underground facilities that are quite extensive. Certainly there was some high-level electromagnetic disturbance out there because two times, I purchased a compass right before I went out there, two times while I was out there, my compass started spinning. Yeah, that's one of the anomalies that is commonly reported. Yeah. So there's definitely high levels of electromagnetic disturbance. Going through so many of the technological schematics and stuff that I have seen of some of the different anti-gravity type engines, they all deal with one thing, and that is the high electromagnetic forces. And so I've got to believe that we've got something going on out there, but why won't they let the public know? What's coming down and what are they trying to run past us? And I think with Independence Day, the movie that came out and the fact that they brought in so many references to the day the Earth stood still, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, E.T., and then finally ending up with 2001 inside the craft there when he turned the computer on and said, hello, Dave. You know, you looked at that and I go, oh my goodness. They have just programmed us with a whole bunch of stuff they've been laying on us for decades, and the purpose must be that something's coming to a head, and I believe it's got to be coming down pretty quick. Yeah. Well, thank you for calling, Bill. Well, thanks for having me on the air. Again, it was a wonderful experience. God bless and guide you, my friend. Thank you, sir. You're welcome. We interrupt this record to bring you a special bulletin. The reports of a flying saucer hovering over the city have been confirmed. The flying saucers are real. Tell where I feel what my heart says to see. That was the Clatter's recording. Too real. We switch you now to our on-the-spot reporter downtown. Come on, baby, let's go downtown. Take it away, John Cameron Cameron. This is John Cameron Cameron downtown. Pardon me, madam, would you tell our audience what would you do if the saucer were to land? Thank you. And now the ten gentlemen there. What I'm gonna do is hard to tell. The gentleman with the guitar. What would you do, sir? We'll take the wall down over the city. Thank you. We'll return you now. This is right. Your husband says, did you got me with a request for her? Earth, angels. Earth, angels. That was the Pelican's outer space recording. Earth. I've just been handed a bulletin. The flying saucer has just landed. We switch you again downtown. Here we are again. We have it at Professor Succeed with Fenton Molls of the Fenton Institute. Your professor is approaching the saucer to see if there's possibly any kind of life aboard. But I'm sure something. Are you there? I hear you now. That you can't come in. That was Lapping Lewis's record. Nothing. He's John Cameron Cameron on the spot. And now I believe we're about to hear the words of the first spaceman ever to land on Earth. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And now here are the goal scores. Four to three. Six to ten. Four to one. The impact of seeing the first spaceman has this reporter thrilling. lives of the steps. Oh, really, lebih worse. Oh, really, really. Oh, oh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, messes around on Earth. Oh. Oh, this is John Cameron Cameron again downtown. The spaceman has returned to his ship and is taking off. We're returning now to our studios. The flying saucer has gone. There is no threat of an invasion. However, the flying saucers are still around. Well, Pooh, you want to do the honors again? We have somebody on the phone line. All right. Hello. Hello. Is this Pooh? Yes. I love the way you sing Happy Birthday. Do you know who I am? No. What about Patty? Do you remember? Oh, yeah. I remember you. Well, I had a nice time with you, and I had a nice time with Allison. Huh. Do you remember when we slept on the blanket and saw the stars? Yes. That was really pretty, wasn't it? Mm-hmm. Now, how's your mom and dad doing? That's fine. Did they get rested up from their long trip? Yeah. Maybe I better talk to him. I don't know how long this program's going to run with me talking with just you, but I do miss you. All my love. Better put your dad on now. Hi, Patty. Hi, Bill. I was here all along. You were, huh? Yeah. How are you? Good. I loved Area 51. Loved the lectures, slides, videos, and the high-speed object. I only wished I would have had a pair of binoculars. Oh, you were one of the ones that couldn't get your hands on binoculars. Quite hard. But Jan was nice enough to give me a pair later on. But what I did see was the orange with the aura around it. Uh-huh. So shooting rather fast. I mean, it's not like a plane that we knew or know. And I did enjoy the Wackenhut security officer. So that was a little different. I enjoyed seeing that sign for myself. And I just enjoyed the whole trip. I thought it was very nice. Met a lot of nice people. Weren't they wonderful? Oh, I love Mary. Isn't she a doll? Yeah. Matt and Joe, they were all nice. And the people on our trip, excellent people. In fact, we had a long talk with four of them at the gas station after we left Rachel. That was very enjoyable. So you guys, well, I'm sorry. Did your wife tell you we ran into her? Bill says, I should go right to the crap tables right away and play it all. Because what were the chances of running into Annie in Las Vegas? And there she was. And there she was, yes. That was just another little highlight right on our trip. But we really enjoyed it. It was very nice. Were you skeptical when you first arrived on the 4th? No, I've seen him before. But my husband has not seen him. How is Bill, by the way? Yes. Bill is excellent. He's always very nice, very pleasant. And he goes along with most of the little plans that I come up with. Did he see anything while we were out there? Yes, he did. He didn't see the orange object. And he knew it wasn't a plane. He doesn't know what it was. Uh-huh. Especially at the speed that it was going and the different angles. He also wished that we would have had high-powered binoculars or we could climb right up to White Sides or Freedom Ridge and watch it right firsthand. Well, that would have been nice, except you know the story there. Yeah, I sure did. What did you think when we went down to the sign that really did say deadly force authorized? Well, I didn't doubt your word. I was just glad that I saw it for myself. Uh-huh. Were you surprised when they were waiting there and they turned on their lights? Oh, I counted on it, you know, especially when we saw their headlights going back and forth. And then we had the two unusual guests that were there the one night. Uh-huh. That was kind of hard to figure out. But on the whole, we had a wonderful time. Even the chase was good. Well, why don't you tell everybody about the chase? Oh, well, we were going down the road and we were trying to lose somebody. But then they found us, I guess, because they, well, they didn't really find us because we were up on that little ridge and they didn't see us. They didn't come up and get us. Yeah, they didn't even see the turnoff. So we all got up on the ridge and turned out all the lights and everybody refrained from smoking. They just went right on by on the road. Yeah. But the security always knew where we were. Yeah. Well, whoever was looking for us didn't find us. Yeah. Anyhow, it was kind of fun. It was a little more interesting at the chase. Yeah. But, yes, I really appreciated the group as a whole. Excellent people. And glad to meet you and Annie and Poo and Allison. And all the people at the restaurant there, too. They're all very nice people. Had a marvelous trip. It was a very nice birthday party for my husband. Oh, yeah. That's right. It was his birthday. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Did you remember that, Poo? Yeah. And then Pat made us a real nice cake at the last minute. Yeah. Do you remember the wedding? Oh, the wedding. Yeah. I called out there, but they were in the middle of a wedding. That's right. That was after we left. Poo was the flower girl. Was it Poo? Poo? What? Were you the flower girl? Yeah. What did you do? Well, when the song started, I held the flowers and I held the alien doll. And I walked out very slow when the song started. And then I smiled everywhere until I stopped. I kept smiling. And smiling and smiling and smiling. It was a good wedding, huh? Yeah. I really loved the cake, though. The cake? Oh, you've got a cake? Oh, that's right. Pat made one of her special wedding cakes, didn't she? Yeah. Yeah. She was telling me how good it looked. Yeah. I'm sorry. I missed that wedding. You remember laying on the blanket under the stars with Poo? Yeah. And telling her all those stories? Yeah. You didn't know I was listening to all those stories, did you? Mm-hmm. I bet Poo didn't know that either. Oh, and she knows all about Jesus. Yes, she does. She does. And her daddy told her. She told me so. Yeah. Very smart little girl. And the trip, Bill, that was very nice. Thank you. And he is a terrific person. Well, thank you so much. And thank you for coming and thank you for calling. All right. Tell Bill, give Bill our love. Patty, thanks for letting me sleep on your blanket and stuff. That's all right. We had lots of fun, huh? Yes, we did. You're a terrific little companion there. Remember when we sorted out the rocks? Yes. Yes, we did sort them out. Was that Jared that was with us? Yeah. Yeah. He was a pretty nice, pretty good companion too, wasn't he? Yeah. I don't know if he's going to call in. I bet he will. Well, I hope he does. Yeah. Him or Dan. Yeah. My Bill's in bed, otherwise he'd be on the phone too. I remember Bill falling asleep a couple of times. Yeah. Yeah. He's an early bird. Well, there was a few times that he was falling asleep that I was really jealous because I wanted to fall asleep, but I was the leader of the group and I couldn't do it. Tell him that for me. I will. I will tell him that, Phil. Okay. Okay. Thank you again and we will talk to you later. Good night. Bye, Patty. Have a nice sleep. You too, honey. I love you. All right. Bye. Bye. 520-333-4578. If you were out there with us at Area 51, now is the time to call. Don't be chicken. Good evening. Hello, Bill. This is Dan. Hi, Dan. I had a feeling you were going to be next. Yeah. How's Jerry? Well, I just went to see it. He got to be a party pooper. He went on a bed and fell asleep. Now, we had him up working all day today, so he's kind of tired. But, yeah, one thing I was thinking, the only thing I kind of remember you left out, it seems like it was the first night we seen that thing along the ground that he was pretty sure was a little hovercraft that they might have. We seen that it was moving over. First, we thought it was a car, but it was going. Oh, you mean it moved way up the canyons? Yeah, because it was going too fast, and it really wasn't on any road that was too smooth. If it had been on a road, it would have been bouncing. Yeah, what that looked like was one of the small, unmanned, six-foot-diameter reconnaissance craft. Yeah. And that was kind of interesting in itself there to see that, because it was doing a few things. Well, those things have surprised me a couple times. I've been out there many times myself, and I walked around this little ridge one time, and one of them almost knocked me in the head. And that was quite an eye-opener. That's the first time I ever saw one. It almost ran right into my head. I couldn't believe it. Yeah, that was interesting. That was just the others. I was not skeptical that they were there, but to be honest, I about halfway figured that, you know, realizing they listened to the programs and they used to be out there, whether or not they would purposely try and avoid doing anything those nights. So I was really happy that we did get to see that. Well, I wasn't too, I wasn't too, I didn't think, to tell you the truth, that anything was going to happen. I was really amazed on Friday night when everybody really was able to witness one of these flights, two flights, actually, one over Groom Lake and actually two over Groom Lake, almost simultaneously, and the one to the north. Yeah. Yeah, I was the same way there, too. I remember looking through binoculars, the one to the north, you could see. There was one of the craft kind of coming. It's hard to say from the direction it was coming from the left, sort of in toward it, but it was so dim that unless you happened to catch the binoculars, and then I gave them to Jared, and he said it was like the two almost came together and then split off again or something. Like I said, I'd given the binoculars over by that time, and you couldn't see them without it. Well, that's another common occurrence. It's just absolutely incredible when you see these things come together, and it looks like they merge as one, and then they split and go different directions. And I've actually witnessed one hover, and small ones come out the bottom of it and fly all over the place. So, you know, who knows? It's like some guy called in Friday and wanted to know if these could possibly be holograms. And the truth is they could possibly be holograms, but it would be pretty hard to put on a holographic show, I think, at that distance. Right. Did you guys have a nice trip? Oh, yeah, it was real nice. A little bit tired to drive. You know, we had a lot of miles like a lot of other people to go. Yeah. We really enjoyed it. You know, I'd like to get back. Maybe sometime we can get back there again, and I guess they say sometimes later in the fall when the weather's cool, there's still one peak you can try and get up on, although it's a lot further away. Mm-hmm. They say it's harder to climb, though, too. Well, from the saddle where you've got to park your – you've got to have a four-wheel drive vehicle to even get to the trailhead. Right. When you get to the trailhead to follow the cairns up Tickaboo Peak, if you're a good, healthy climber, it takes an hour from that point. If you're not, it could take two or three. Yeah. It would take me two, three days probably. Well, I'm no spring chicken either anymore. But it was enjoyable. We went this past weekend and seen Independence Day, and it was interesting to correlate those two. You're sitting there realizing probably the only thing in Independence Day that it hasn't been true to is the fact that they're talking about Area 51. Yeah. But isn't it incredible that that movie portrays the exact scenario that I have been predicting for years? It sure is. It's a little bit surprising, too, that they do show it where it's at. In other words, they do show it as being up northeast of Las Vegas or northwest of Las Vegas. Mm-hmm. Talking about, of course, watching the vehicles like they have rolling up. If you've ever been there like we were, you realize there's no way they could get in a position to do that, obviously. Right. Did you guys see anything? Well, we just seen that stuff the two nights, you know, when we were there. We saw the hovercraft for one night and several objects the other night. Of course, well, the first night, too, we spotted that. It was a satellite, like Bill was saying. Maybe that was another kind of a vehicle, which was almost a little bit. Yeah. I don't think it was a satellite, but I don't know what it was. I've never seen anything that shines down those blue beams like that. Yeah, that was the thing that really amazed me. I didn't know if it was something they'd do in conjunction with the other stuff. But after the first one, I started watching it. I just assumed it was a satellite going over. Like I said, except for the flashing being too much. Yeah. But it was well worth it. Like I said, we hope to get a chance to do it again sometime. And if the luck's half as good, it'll be great. Oh, we'll do it again. Yeah. Yeah, like that was fun. That sure was. Well, Jared had a lot of fun. And Pooh's been going out there since she was about two weeks old. Yeah, we wish we had a chance to do some earlier. I think this is the first you've done since we've been listening to you and doing stuff there. I mean, that's really fun. Oh, yeah. Well, it's a lot of fun. You get to meet a lot of good people and try to keep in touch with a few of them and see if we can do it again. Were you surprised? Remember on the air I said that everybody who would go would really be good people and everybody would enjoy each other's company. Were you surprised that that was true? A little bit because I remember I went to the one convention a couple years ago and the majority of them were, you know, I can't say they weren't good people, but a few of them kind of hung to themselves. And I remember we had that one group that kind of split off. A lot of people think there may have been some agents or somebody in there early. But so compared to that, I'd say this group was just a lot tighter knit. They always are. When I take somebody to Area 51, they're always just wonderful people. Right. It's a little much to have a smaller size, too, you know. You get a chance to meet everybody a little bit more and to have some more interaction. Uh-huh. Which is good, so. That's like food. It was good. Real good. That's a good cook, isn't she? Yeah. I'm kind of just a picky eater that I like, you know, sort of plain foods and that, but I certainly didn't have any trouble getting quite a bit to eat. Same with Jared, you know. And nobody said anything about Joe's guitar playing and singing. Yeah, I was going to remind you about that earlier, too. Really? Well, I loved it. Yeah. Second night, he did some guitar playing and singing there. A little bit of Hank Williams and a few others, so. Yeah, he's pretty good. If he practiced a little bit, get back in shape, like you said there, he could put himself some shows on Saturday nights out there. Yeah. If he plays those kind of songs, that means he's a cowboy. Yeah. I like that cowboy song, so. Okay. Well, I'll let you go. I'm going to go to bed here pretty soon. I've got the thing recording, as usual. Okay, Dan. And we'll be in touch soon. Thanks for calling. I'll see you again. Okay, Pooh. We'll see you. Tell Jared he missed his chance to talk to Pooh on the radio. Yeah, I couldn't even wake him up. Okay. Good night. Tell Jared I said hi. Okay, I'll do that. He might have a severe case of radio jitters. Yeah, well, I thought that would be true. We got him up, and we're working pretty hard all day today, so. Yeah. I see you laid down there in the bed, just passed out, so. Okay. Thanks a lot. All right. Bye-bye. Bye. 520-333-4578. If you are out at Area 51 with us, give us a call. Don't be scared. Yeah. Yeah. If Pooh's not scared, you can't be scared. Who's calling? Hello? Hello? Anyone there? It's a chicken plucker. Ha-ha. Got scared and hung up. 520-333-4578. Yeah, it's just incredible, folks, that Independence Day enacts exactly the scenario that I've been predicting for years, and I think it's a test of the reception of the American people to that kind of scenario, because audiences are going wild. They love all of the nations and armies and everybody uniting to face this external threat from space. I can't believe it. Good evening. Oh, it's old Kurt Lochner. Old Poopy Diapers has come out of hiding, ladies and gentlemen. Kurt Lochner, the FBI and ADL, confessed informant. That's exactly who that is. He hasn't learned yet that we're on to him. He is a scumbag. Par excellence. Poopy Diapers, and his mother is still looking for him, and he is still, still dragging that load across the floor, ruining everything in his path. Good evening. Hello. Poopy Diapers again. Well, I tell you what, Kurt. You keep it up, and I'm just going to have to deal with you in some other manner. And believe me, I can do it. Hello. Good evening. No, it's old Poopy Diapers again. If somebody from Area 51 that was out there with us would get on the phone, we could get rid of this silly clown. But I don't know if anybody's going to. Hello. Hey, Poop. There we are. Turn your radio off. How you doing? Hey, I didn't get there, but you raised some interesting questions about how you could tell that we didn't go to the moon based on your distant observation, and maybe you could elaborate on if they actually did anything similar to the Philadelphia experiment. Who's this? Oh, I'm David from Ohio. David, you've got to turn your radio off. Okay. I got it down. Okay. Without being able to show you the proof, and I can't do that over the radio. Okay. I can't really prove to anybody that the – and all I can prove is that the photographs that NASA is showing us that they say were taken on the moon are fake. Yeah, I've looked at those, and that's what I saw. Yeah. Well, we can prove that hundreds of them are fake very easily. I mean, it's not hard to do. You don't have to even know anything about photography. You do have to know something about light and shadows and – I like their Oswald photo with all the different shadows on his face and the background. Yeah. Now, the Philadelphia experiment, did they actually ever display the ship? Did you ever find that out? No. No. No, it's a total disinformation, fake, phony story. It was promulgated by the Office of Naval Intelligence, Counterintelligence Division. During World War II, when we were outfitting ships with what is called degaussing. Degaussing are coils that run longitudinally in a thwart ships vertically around the entire girth of the ship. And by putting electricity through these different size coils, that's the ABC and Q coil, you can neutralize the magnetic field of the ship, which for all intents and purposes does make it invisible, but only to magnetic minds. Okay. And the Office of Naval Intelligence planted all those stories and planted the news stories to deceive the Germans, but the Germans never fell for that crap either. Okay. Well, say hello to Pooh. She sounds like a nice little girl, and I enjoyed your show. I'll let you go in case somebody else calls. Thanks a lot, Bill. Okay. Bye. And it's amazing that that counterintelligence operation that was meant to fool the Germans during World War II has ended up fooling Americans this many years later. Good evening. How you doing, Bill? Good. Who's this? Oh, this is Steve. I didn't actually visit, so is it okay to speak? Well, since nobody else is calling, yeah, they all chickened out. Chickened out. I can't believe they went all the way in there in the middle of the night in a place that was very dangerous, and then they're afraid to call the radio show. But that's what it is. People get the jitters calling, you know, being on live radio. It scares some people. First time it ever happened to me, it scared the hell out of me. Well, yeah, but I've spoken with you a few times, so I'm kind of a veteran. But is this going to be a yearly event I wasn't able to make this year? No, it's just something that I decided to do because there were some people who kept writing and asking and wanting to go. But I don't know. We might do it more often. It's a lot of fun. And you're, of course, your advertiser, the next available one, right? Sure, of course. Oh, great. Also, do you plan on doing, I remember you mentioned. But you've got to understand, just because we go out there doesn't mean that we're ever going to see anything. These people were very lucky. Oh, yeah, no, that's implied. Yeah, but I remember you mentioned you might dedicate a Veritas to the UFO hoax. Do you think that's something you might still do? Well, UFOs are not a hoax. They're real. Oh, I mean the plan to use them as a device of deception to bring one into it. Yeah, we do plan to do an entire issue on the UFO subject, Area 51, the hidden technology, the German developments during World War II, and some of the promulgators of the alien threat, mind control, abduction scenario, and all that kind of stuff. And, yeah, it would be easy to fill three or four newspapers with that stuff. In fact, have you seen that making of Independence Day on Showtime, HBO, whatever it might be? No. Oh, boy, it's such propaganda. They do almost, well, they do very little of the effects. What it is mostly is the opinions of quote-unquote experts, ufologists in the field, and the opinions of the actors. Excuse me, it's ufologists. Yeah, ufologists, exactly. So all these idiots are sitting in the screen saying, it would be naive of us to think that we are the only beings in the universe. And so, you know, that to them means, well, they must be here. And so this is an okay thing to do, and it's not all propaganda and BS. And it just seems that this film has helped people more readily accept this completely artificial notion that freaky-looking beings are flying here and they're going to destroy Earth. It's just... Yeah, well, that's one of the scenarios that they may implement in order to bring about the New World Order. Another thing is I've had the opportunity to watch about, because I find them entertaining. In fact, I'm going to send you some. Some of them are so idiotic and speculative, it's just hilarious. But these UFO documentaries, right? You watch these things, and I've found 16... I've got to stick them all in an audio tape and send them to you. 16 times when interviewing people, and, of course, you can read it over and over again in some of these guys' books when they do their regressive memory, hypnotherapy, all this kind of whacked-up stuff. I've found 16 people saying that, oh, yes, they did this and this to me, which is exactly like the experiments in The Day of the Earth Stood Still. And then they mention, and the mouths of these beings never moved. And so now, you know, this whole thing of the mouths never moving lends itself very easily to a couple of jokers in a rubber suit, controlling you through some means of paralysis and then altering your memory. It's a little too convenient. Yeah, it is, but I don't think they go to that much trouble. I think it's all done with mind-control technology, and I think that people really believe that it happened, but I think they were sound asleep in their bed or sitting in their car, and it all happened in their head. Yeah. Hey, Chris Carter borrowed some of your idea, but unfortunately he made a joke out of it. You know, so people, if they were ever going to take it seriously, coming to it on their own conclusion, he kind of laughed it off of government agents in gray rubber suits. I don't know if you saw that episode, but... Well, if you look, if you watch Fire in the Sky and Communion, you'll see in those movies alien masks laying around and alien suits. They're laughing at you. They're laughing at all of us. It's a tremendous joke. And the book you couldn't think of by Whitley Streber, I believe it's called Transformation. No, it's Breakthrough. Well, Breakthrough is the newest one? Breakthrough, yeah. Oh, that's right. Yeah, I must have been thinking Transformation because of that. Follow the Masonic symbology. It's so obvious. It's unbelievable. Oh, the guy's a lunatic. Hey, guess what someone found? A friend of mine found a hard-covered copy. Well, I mean, I don't believe Whitley Streber's a lunatic. I believe he's a man who has an agenda who is helping to perpetrate a great hoax. I don't think there's anything lunatic about him at all. I think he's pretty intelligent to have pulled off as much as he's pulled off and have so many people believing it. Just one last question. Have you ever produced a bound version of the treason document? No. Oh, okay. I remember. But we may do that because we've got so many now we can't even put them in the package. We've got to go. We're out of time. Okay. Good night. Say good night, Boo. Good night, everyone, and God bless you all. Hey, that's great. Good night, folks. And God bless each and every single one of you. 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