ytyy sharing You're listening to the Hour of the Time. I'm William Cooper. Ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, we take you to our Conference 97, fourth day, Thursday. Ron Howell. Pay attention. You're going to love it. Everybody who attended thought this was one of the best lectures they heard. It will open your eyes. It will challenge your intellect. It will cause you to ask a lot of questions of people that you always believed blindly before. And it'll make you laugh. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. That was a lot of fun with Jeff on the radio. And I bet you that there was a lot of people out there that really enjoyed that. What you're going to hear now is going to be extremely interesting. You've heard me talk about the Apollo moon shots and the Apollo mission and the Apollo program and all that kind of stuff on many broadcasts. And you've seen all of the NASA footage of that and the special programming on TV of the Apollo program. And the next speaker has done a lot of research on this and put together the results of what he's discovered. And he's going to share that with us for the next two hours. He's also a good friend and a major contributor to our effort. This microphone up here is one that he gave us that we can travel with. It has incredible quality. Because we can't travel with the two other microphones that he gave us because they're so fragile and they were made back in the 20s and 30s. And they're the best microphones ever made. You can't duplicate it with solid-state technology. And that's what makes the hour of time sound so great. So his name is Ron Howell. He's standing right here. And he's put together the results of his research in the Apollo program and the Apollo moonshots. And he's going to give you the results of that over the next two hours. I think you're going to find it extremely interesting. Regardless of what you may believe about what happened, you're going to find what he's going to tell you interesting. So pay attention. Take notes. And I don't know if he's going to take questions. But if he does, please hold your questions until the end of his presentation so that he can get all the way through it. And if he can poke holes in this, that's fine. I happen to, I pretty much think I know what he's going to say. And I think I pretty much agree with him. But Mr. Ron Howell. Thank you very much. Well, with a nice introduction like that, I don't want to fall flat on my face. So let's get to it here. This outline, my presentation is called, Did NASA Fool America? Now, I have to tell you, you don't have to believe what I say. If I were to tell you that we didn't go to the moon, I wouldn't expect you to believe it. But you know that. You deal with intelligence every day. And you know you have to treat it as such. If it's evidence, you have to handle it for what it is. If you agree with it or not, that comes later. Even if I were to tell you that I went to the moon myself, you couldn't accept that. You'd have to look at it as second-hand information, wouldn't you? Okay, now, we are going to discuss facts, and we want to get to the truth, because I appreciate truth. Everything that deals with freedom, you know, has everything to do with truth. Now, let me see here. Let's go and find my little outline. Okay. This is an experience I had. When I was in high school, I can remember that the follow project was going on, because I was a senior in 69, and I remember seeing this footage. And my feeling at the time, you know, I was a sheeple. I was young, and I was young and impressionable. When I saw these moon astronauts, I knew, see, when you're in the vacuum of space, you know that death is right outside of you, right outside of your suit. There's a pure, hard vacuum. When pilots are inside of an airplane, you know, they're in a pressurized cockpit, besides being in the pressure suit. So being outside of a capsule, being on the moon, I knew at that time that it was very dangerous. And my impression was that these men were very joyful. They were happy. They were jumping around. Right? And I thought, my thought was that these men must be awfully brave, knowing that they may die at any minute that they're going through, I mean, that they're entertaining these thoughts, and they figure, what the heck, we're going to live this up while we do it. I was thinking that, or it could be, that it was fake. And I kind of, I thought it was just too dangerous to be acting that way. And, you know, I brought this up in school, and, you know, the teachers, the kids, you know, they put that down. So I let it go for a long time, but I always had it in the back of my mind. Then about the time when I was getting older, I knew there was trouble in the country. I acquired a shortwave set. I instinctively knew that shortwave would be what I'd want to look for. I mean, I'd want to search the dial. I thought, so I said the truth, you know, I thought I'd be hearing information from outside of the country. I never thought it'd be coming from within. And when I heard, you know, all these shows, I was like, ooh, knocked out. And then, you know, nine o'clock Pacific time, you know, that old siren came on. Boy, I knew that was so good. So, I didn't really listen to him. I know, I'm not used to this, so I've got to get used to laughing at myself. It's not a problem. I'm just getting used to it here. So, listening to this show, I remember one episode where he was talking about the astronauts on the moon in one-six gravity. And, seeing that show, it was like, hey, I was thinking this a long time ago, and here he was talking about it. I felt somewhat empowered that my thoughts weren't so off-base. listening to his program, and, shortly after that, maybe a year or two, he came out with this book, NASA Mooned America, by a man named Rene. I still don't know if that's his real name or his last name or what. I obtained his phone number before I was able to do this, but I haven't been able to get to talk with him yet. So, a lot of my material is going to be based on this. And I know, a lot of you people out there have it already, because, in my short acquaintance with you, many of you have it. But, I don't, plan to do a book report on this. When I obtained this book, it was, it was so enlightening, it inspired me to hit the books myself, and, see if I could back it up, see if I could poke holes in it, and substantiate it. I was, it was something that just made me really want to stay. So, that's what I've been doing. And, also, I've got this other publication he, this book he published called, The Last Skeptic of Science. The Book Mimps, I've tried to stop, and it's a kind of a collage of different papers that are associated with subjects like this and other things we'll be referring to. So, I just look at my list here. I've got so many things to talk about, I had to write it in an outline to get it. But, being just a little nervous, it's hard to read it. Okay. Okay. Okay. When I was doing research, you know, I went to the old popular science. Has, has anyone ever seen one of these, or seen the popular science? Okay. Well, I've seen it. I've seen it a lot. In fact, I've seen it on TV shows. I don't remember one episode of Heart to Heart and it was right there in the library. I remember saying, yeah, that's the one I've got. So, I checked it out and I found, I found this there to swap me because the second that my father bought me years ago was the War and Tatter. When I was a kid, I read all, all these books. I was always interested in how things work work. So, I saw this that I bought me and I bought it for $10. Brand new, sealed and everything. So, if I can tell you here, okay, one of the things with the moon, I wanted to get some information on the moon because many people take the moon for granted. We have ideas about it, but as you'll see when I show you these demonstrations, you'll be knocked out because it has nothing to do with what you think. Now, you can find the distance from the earth to the moon, of course, in these volumes. So, I just want to take a chance and see if anyone has an idea or how many people in general have an idea how far it is to the moon. any thoughts? It's 149,000. Okay, well, see, I was going to say that. These people are really up to me. Well, okay, let's go to the next step. Do you know how they found out how far away it is? Yes. They used to, well, amateur radio did it by radar I think the first time. Okay, years ago before radio, how do you suppose they did it? They knew how far the moon was away way back when they built pyramids. Now, you think about that. How did they do it? I'll show you. I wish I had a big blackboard here because it's a big crutch. I don't have to fool with things. But generally, the earth is over here and a moon here. Okay, well, how they determine how far away this moon is from the earth is they first, they know two locations on the earth. The distance, not the circumference, but the distance through. Well, that's a strong shock here. Okay, the distance through the earth from this point to here. See, they figure that distance and then to the moon here you have a triangle. So, if they know the distance from here to here and they measure these angles, they can determine the distance from here to there through the middle. Right. Right. Okay. And, of course, the reverse works, too. If you want to know the diameter of the moon, what you do is you know your distance and you calculate points where the angle is, where the angle is, and that would tell you, would, see, from this part of the earth you would measure a triangle this way and then, of course, you know the thing, the angle of the triangle on this side and that tells you the diameter there. So, is that clear? We understand. Okay. Okay. So, the diameter of the moon is 2,160 miles. The diameter of the earth is 7,927 miles. Okay. Now, those facts are in this book and they're there for all of us to read. Okay. Now, the question is, using these pieces here, how far the softball is roughly the size of the moon? How far away in your mind's eye are we from this earth? Let me hear it. I think we're going to train with it. I especially got this globe here for this demonstration. I like it because I can take it out of there. It was nice to have one here but it spins and makes it awkward. So, imagine now we're out in space. Here's your earth and here's your moon. Now, I'm going to ask a couple of you out there, how far do you think it is? We got a smarty here. Maybe someone else didn't hear of you. I don't know. He said 25 times. 25 times what? 125 times the diameter of the earth because the earth is 2,000 miles and you said the earth is 250,000 miles away from the moon. So, 2,000 to 250,000 is roughly 25 times. Well, your idea of finding it is right but I think it's wrong because what you do is you divide 7,927 into 239,000 which is the average because it's supposed to be in elliptical orbit. So, just taking an average that goes 30 times. So, let me go out there and you hold that. Okay, do you see that? Wow. Now, there's a way that I can prove this. If I had a long pole and went to that baseball and I was strong enough to hold it and if the moon was in its vicinity you hold that baseball up to that moon and it's going to be the same size as the moon. So, it shows that the scale is correct. Is that understood? Okay, now this is mind blower. Okay, now this is a fact. If they really went to the moon, this is what they would have had to do. See, it's either one of two things. It's a great accomplishment because imagine that moon isn't stationary. that's a moving target and you have your I'm not telling you how far off this yet, but it's coming off this globe hitting a moving target and it has to hit that target at the right angle precisely to go around it. Because if you miss it, there's no second chance it's gone, right? Is that agreeable? Okay, you can bring that moon back. Okay, now we know what they claim to have done. What are they doing today? We know about the shuttle project. We know about satellites in orbit and things like that. okay, does anyone know now how high the shuttle usually flies? I know you're sharp out there. What is it? Are you 25 miles maybe? No, it's a little more than that. It's 300 miles. 300 miles they say. We don't know. they say that. Okay, where do you suppose 300 miles off of this? It shouldn't take too hard to think of it. Right. Less than a quarter of an inch off this globe. And you can find that out because you divide 12 into 7,927, you get 660 miles to the inch. And they say they go up 300 miles that's less than a half an inch, isn't it? So, here you go. Moon's out there. Here's the earth. And now we can prove this because once you know that, this is a standard. See, this is a reference. Now, the way I look at it is when you look at those pictures they claim that they did out out of space, what you do is you put your eye right close to that bulb and you match the horizon of the curvature of the earth to what they said. And if it matches, it's going to be to scale, and if it's not, it's way off. So, here's an example. I've seen many, many times where they're shooting out the Atlas rocket and you see these beautiful pictures of the stages dropping off with fire around them and you say, oh man, look at that. Okay, well, when you see those pictures, you're seeing the earth from about a distance like this. You see that curvature of the earth like this with those stages dropping off. Okay, now, you look at that reference point from about here to here, you know, you're talking about this spar that's further than the United States. That's over 3,000 miles. So, if they're dropping off first and second stages 3,000 miles off when they claim it's under 100 miles, there's something wrong with a photograph. Am I right? There's nothing else that could be because this is a standard. one of the things that they did back in July 1st, 1957 to December 31st, 1958 was called the International Geophysical Year, the IGY. You've probably heard of that if you went to college or something. It's UN stuff. They gathered all the scientists together. They're drilling and poking and measuring everything that they could to establish the old doctrine or the old measurements of the use of thought. Thought was right. They checked out this geometry which we had before. They had devices that were called a Markowitz dual-rate moon camera and a Dijon afterlade. And those were devices similar to spexants and things that they attached to telescopes to accurately measure these distances from the moon. And that was supposedly for the upcoming moon project. So in a way they really confirmed the old things because really we know that man was smart all along. It wasn't this gradual evolution that they were cavemen or something. It's obviously Egyptians. They were very smart. Those pyramids. They say that they don't know how they made them even to this day. Do they not? And I believe with my way of exposing this is going to show that man made them. It's not something from somewhere else. And we'll get into that later. Okay. When I was reading this encyclopedia over the years, it's in volume one by the way on page 237. It's an illustration that I've never been able to find anywhere else and I've been looking. Okay. This illustration here is like a graph or a scale that shows the different layers of the atmosphere. And it's interesting to note in one book I was reading that the breathable air that we breathe to this size of a globe is less than the thickness of the coating that they put on this. In the old days it said varnish, but this is a newer one. It probably had some kind of poly-something on it. But the air that we breathe on this globe here is actually thinner than this coating. So we're talking about these layers. So if I may, what I'll do is I'll get this erased and I'll draw it. If you're taking notes of something, you might want to do this because it's leading up to a point that's very vital understanding there. If you take your paper long ways like this and you draw a line for a horizon, you know, I never knew until just a few months ago where it came from Horace Rising on this horizon. I know now, let me explain it this way first. In the old books, you have to understand that all these things, airplanes, jets, rockets, it's all happened within 50, 60 years. So this is really new stuff. When we talk about these layers, in the old books, there is on four layers. But just before they went to the moon here, this was published in 1970, so I'm sure that the type was set and by with like a committee and everything, when they made these books, this information was not to the minute 1970, but obviously before they went to the moon, it exposes other layers that they could find. And that's the ones I'm going to show you tonight. If you have your paper ready for this line here, on the very first layer, they call that the troposphere. So we'll put that one right here. Now the troposphere, we could define this, well, I could more or less tell you, or I could read it from the book. Oh, thank you. Oh, this is a real honor and a privilege. I have so much time to help you tonight. Thank you, Bill. Okay, the troposphere is defined as from zero to seven miles high. so from this area here to here is the zone we're talking about. Now I'll just read a little bit from the book. I could explain it, but it's better to get it right from here. The troposphere is zero to seven miles up. The troposphere is the air which all human beings usually have intimate contact since it is the very stuff we breathe and is also the seat of weather and climate. the troposphere is the densest part of the atmosphere. The air pressure drops with increasing altitude and we have already pointed this out that there is more water vapor and carbon dioxide in the troposphere than any other layer. And it goes on and on, but basically what it's saying is that the air that we breathe is in this layer here. Okay, the next layer which we're concerned with maybe, I know there's a lot of smart people out here. What do you suppose it is? Do you know what it's called, anybody? I heard one. Stratosphere, correct. Okay, I'll define that one now as being seven to twenty-nine miles. Does that mean it's fluctuates? No, what do I mean from seven to twenty-nine miles? Seven miles high is twenty-nine right. It starts at seven miles high and then it goes to twenty-nine miles. You know, here's something I couldn't understand. They hear in the book they say there's no fine line between the layers. So don't ask me why they call it twenty-nine miles. It could easily be thirty. I'm just telling you what it says here and I don't know what their reasoning is but they say it can vary a couple miles. There's no hard line as the word crosses. But that's the definition from the textbooks that we have. Let me go now to the stratosphere what this consists of. The stratosphere is less dense than the underlying troposphere. it contains much the same gases except there is less water vapor. The altitude of fifteen miles, much ozone is concentrated. Which we know the story about the ozone very well by listening to the hour in time. It absorbs mostly ultra-bonded radiation from the sun and thus is heated. from a low of minus sixty Celsius at seven miles, the stratosphere temperature rises slowly up to the base of the underlying methosphere, about 29 miles. The temperature of the stratosphere increases in the summer. Well, it's a lot of reading, but the point I want to make is that in the stratosphere the temperature drops. From here the higher up you go, it gets colder. And isn't this what we understand? Because when we look at the old World War II movies and see the B-17 flying high, they're wearing those neat leather jackets I like, you know, and they're way up there and they're cold, right? Well, that's how it was. But I'm afraid that gives people the illusion that the higher up you go, it keeps getting cold. Does anyone in here that has read their NASA, Moon, American book know what I'm coming to or understand what I'm getting at? There's a hand back there. Yeah. If you're not going to check the temperature, you have to have, because of the molecules, you don't have molecules, the temperature doesn't need. That's a good point. That's going to come later. But what I mean for right now is... It starts getting hot. Right. There we go. Okay. Is that okay? Hold on. Okay. Okay. Let's go off the heart. Okay. The next layer is the metasphere. 29 miles it starts to 48 miles high. So, that's your third layer. Now, let's get to the weaponized spheres and how they define that. 29 to what? 48. Yeah. Well, here it's 49, but that's close enough. Oh, no, you're right, 48. Maybe it's because I'm a little nervous when I say it goes. Okay. You can already told us if it's easily. Right. Okay. The composition of the metasphere is not unlike that of the stratosphere. The gases are less dense, of course. carbon dioxide and water vapor of little importance. The metasphere has a layer of ionized or electrified air, the so-called D layer extending 30 to 50 miles above the earth. It is caused by the action of solar ultraviolet on the air molecules and is charged with electrons. Ozone also occurs in the metasphere where it is formed by the action of solar, ultraviolet and x-rays on oxygen. The temperature from the low of 60 Celsius, such as 7 miles in the stratosphere, rises to 0 centigrade, an altitude of 30 miles. Then it drops to about minus 90 at about 50 miles above the earth, so to the earth. So, you see, in the metasphere, it's starting to vary. Now, like I said before, in the older books, they were identifying that layer as being called only the ionosphere. Well, if you understand anything about it, the ionosphere is anywhere from the top of the stratosphere all the way up to a different degree. You know, depending on what frequency you're transmitting at, they can determine how high or at what density level it bounce back or ricochet off. And that changes through the years, through the year, depending on weather, temperature. You know, that's why when we try to listen to the dill on shortwave, sometimes it sounds great, and other times you can't get it. And that's why. Now, here, they also define these other layers of the ionosphere, the D layer, E layer, F1 layer, F2 layers. So, you know, they have it pretty well figured out at what frequency, you know, it haunts the best. Okay, now we're getting to the one that's really important. These lights here makes it hard to read. Okay, maybe I should put it on this board first. The, okay, what do you suppose the name of it is? Okay, totally, totally about what we're getting at. It's called, pardon me? No, that was the first one. Well, remember, that, maybe I should clarify, that, the ionosphere was the old definition. as they were getting more knowledge about radio and radar and whatnot, they defined the different layers. And this layer, the names, you know, we'll get to that one. The thermosphere, you got it. He knows what's happening here. Okay, when I saw that, the first thing that came to my mind, thermosphere, what are we talking about? I thought it was getting colder. And usually when they say thermo, they're not referring to the cold, part of heat, they're referring to a rise in temperature. So I really, I knew I was invested, and I was on the right track here. The next one, which is the thermosphere, is defined as being from 48 miles high starting to 250 miles here. Okay, wait until you hear this definition. There's no way they could teach this today. There is a wide range of temperature in the thermosphere. From a low of about minus 90 centigrade at 50 miles altitude, the temperature rises to several thousand degrees at 300 miles and higher into the exosphere. Let me just say that one more time. The temperature raises to several thousand degrees. Okay, how much is several thousand? They didn't say what it is, but yeah, I think of several, is at least more than two. And I think it could be as high as four or five, couldn't it? I mean, we're talking about several. So that's what it says here, and now I'll be finished. It's not through. It says, into the exosphere, a great deal of this intense heat, if not all of it, is due to the fierce solar energy and other kinds of radiation bombarding the atmosphere at those immense heights. The air is too thin here to offer much resistance, and there are no clouds to shield it from the constant onslaught. So there it is right there. What are they saying? Now, it's interesting to know, it's just a coincidence, that in the same volume, here in the batch, they're talking about the Bessemer steel process. now, if you read what that is, it's a blast furnace of only 2,000 degrees and 300 miles an hour, can take iron ore and melt it in steel. So here, with the same definitions found in this book, how is it that the Apollo space capsule transversed these layers and came back in one piece without it being a molten piece of land or something? Really? They have a sea shield. That's what I thought in the broadcast, when I said it couldn't possibly even go through the misradiation of space. If it, it seems like we hadn't found the balance, don't get it. Well, no, that's over, Kenny, they're all talking about the way, that's true. I think we just suckered you. I see. everybody. Just stick it. Okay. Let me see. I think. And this is just the beginning. Right. That ain't fun. There you are. You know, come in. I can call you. I can call you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. I can call you. Thank you. You're swapping. I love your friends. What do you got about your wife? I'm trying to get out of here. Okay. Now, I think it was mentioned what, how, how can I phrase it? Okay. Temperature is what? What is temperature? Temperature is the attribute to, well, what does temperature have to be associated with? It has to be associated with matter. Monocule. Okay. If you have matter, it doesn't matter whether it is solid, liquid, or gas, you have molecules of stuff. And heat is the acceleration of molecules. When it's cold, it's going slow. Okay. So, what, knowing that, what do you think the definition, I mean, the temperature of space is? See, because when they went there, when they were on the moon, supposedly, they are sitting on the moon, they said they are sleeping, but they couldn't sleep, because it was too cold. That's just something. So, knowing what you know of what heat is, or the temperature is, and knowing what space is, what is the temperature of space? Do you understand what I'm trying to say? Right. Space wouldn't have a temperature, because space is a vacuum, and it's a lack of matter, and we can prove that. The thermos bottle, there's one right there, how do they make a thermos bottle? There's really two bottles in one, they evacuate the air in between, they put either a hot or cold liquid inside, and not having the matter to trans through, or I should say penetrate, I should have mentioned there are three ways of conducting heat, there's convection, conduction, and radiation, so how they make a thermos bottle to prevent radiation, they make it a mirror inside, nice and shiny, so when the heat goes out, it tends to reflect it back in, and the conduction and the convection is out, because there's no way for that to happen through the thermos bottle. So what I'm trying to get at is space itself doesn't have a temperature, but anything that's in space will have a temperature. Okay, what they claim, what they had to do, is because of the heat and the cold, when the Apollo craft was heading out to that moon out there, that it had to do that Dutch roll they called it. Okay, and their logic to us was that, well, it's hot on this side, it's rolling over into the cold to cool off to go back into the hot again. See, so they wanted to believe that's what they did, and think of the navigation problems they would have with this, because, you know, they had primitive computers back in those days, and to go somewhere for a destination and to compensate for that roll all the time, well, we know it's, it was never necessary because of the situation with the heat. Well, what really happened is like it was brought out in the National Wound America book, when they used the illustrations, you've got a hot dog on the barbecue, it's in the heat, it doesn't matter how fast it's heard it, it's going to cook it all the way through. It's a good book, I've read it 12 times, and I've all heard everything memorized. this follow-up one here, you know, well, I think it came first really, the last skeptic of science, if you have any inclination to these, you know, these thoughts like this, it's a good read, because it crashes every, every major theory, and like, remember, a theory is not a fact, it's supposed to be an idea based on facts, so that gives you latitude that maybe that theory, or that conclusion, isn't the right conclusion, because there's other ways you can handle or interpret these facts to come to a different conclusion, right? So, once, I heard it on the hour of the time that Bill mentioned it soon, and I thought he might have got the idea from this book, because the Einstein simple and the complex theory of relativity, you know, it could fall any day based on some of these ideas, and so it's just very good, very good. I better stick to this outline or I'll get too far off here. Which book were you talking about? Oh, I was talking about The Last Skeptic of Science, the book Mensa Tried to Stop. I've never read it. Okay, well, why that he is, I believe he used to belong to Mensa, and because of the heat and controversy over this book, that he's no longer a member. Yeah, I heard that sort of kicked him out because of that book. Was there a hand back there? I remember the mention of that son's role, that maneuver, even off the importance from radiation, the great energy. Could you demonstrate the yardstick or something? I had no one. Oh, okay, well, that's easy, and that brings to mind another point. Okay, well, I'll use that cup as a space pass. cup as a cup. I'll use that cup as a cup. Okay, that kind of looked like one sort, right? Okay, well, the Dutch roll was supposed to be that it turned on its axis like this, like if that light was the sun, and it's going to its destination, that it turned like it turned like this, supposedly, so that this side would get heated from the sun, but it would roll over into the cold of space and dissipate the heat off and roll back into the heat, and that was the idea. It turned like a polar. Right. Okay, but here's an interesting fact about this, is that when something like this is in orbit, you know, when you watch the space shows on TV, they always show, you know, the, I'll get my earth here. And I go, and the spaceship's going around like this, and it's always going, it's always heading most first around the earth, right? Well, that would be true if the capsule was powered, or being pushed to go, around the earth. But in reality, it's orbiting the earth, and there's nothing pushing it, so instead of it going nose first, it would go this way, and the nose would still be aimed the same way it was going, and then it would come back around this way, backwards, and then go around like this, or it would be at the whim of whatever, or whatever, I mean, force might happen to take it, there's no... Right, it's, see, so, when... Right, see, that blows a lot of things away, because, see, they're talking about taking photographs, and different experiments that they did, and it was dependent on that idea of doing that, but it couldn't have happened. I think they have the same reason why you only see one side of the moon in orbit. I'm glad there's nothing to see that, right? Well, I'm glad, I'm glad you brought that up, because that happens to be a subject on this, and it is something that is, you know, brother, okay, let me ask you, okay, we have the earth, what is it that, okay, the earth is moving around, around the sun, but what do you suppose, or what do you think the common scientific idea is that turns the earth like this as it's going around? I'm not sure of the direction at this moment, but it's turning one way, and it's as it's going around, what do you suppose the common idea is? Any? Oh, centripetal force, maybe. Well, centripetal force, my goal. Centripetal, not centripetal. Oh. Centripetal, yeah, I see. Okay, are you referring from like the initial big bang they claim, and it's... No, not that far back. Okay, anyway, maybe I don't understand what that is, can you explain? Well, it's a force that keeps it turning like that because there's two orbits going on, one of it is the orbit around the sun, and then another orbit is going around this way. Exactly. What's causing that, though? Right, not me. Okay, well, this is what they claim, or what they believe it is. They believe after the initial big bang that, not that I agree with this, but that's what they're claiming. The initial big bang, the centripetal force, when it formed the planets over all these years, that that initial motion is the same motion as turning the earth now. That's what they claim. But there's discrepancies in that because since the invention of the atomic clock, that they know that sometimes it slows down and then speeds up. So what would account for the speeding up because over the millions of years, you would think it actually goes slower, slower, slower, right? But at the same speed and sometimes going faster. There's an attraction in some sort. You know? It's going to be if you get out and you get out of the earth. This is, okay, the scientists acknowledge that there's interaction between the oceans and the atmosphere. and we're talking about the atmosphere. Okay, if they acknowledge an interaction, the interaction that they believe is that the earth is turning, causing the seas to turn and also causing the atmosphere to turn. But if you look at it through another way or the opposite way of that, is that we know of the immense radiation in space that this constant bombardment of radiation on the atmosphere is causing the atmosphere to turn, causing the oceans to turn, and that turns the earth, not the other way around. And to prove this theory, this is just a theory, is that moons that don't have any substantial atmosphere, they will rotate. see, so there's some credibility to this, and it makes more sense because they can't explain the speeding up. Okay, now it gets to this thought, okay, now suppose that this globe was the sun. Okay, the earth would be about the size of a pea compared to this. How far away would that pea be from that sun? We're down the road. Now you got it. It'd be exactly where those toilets are, about 215 feet, and it has like the radius, oh yeah, the hand back in your hand. The heat that you were talking about, that's different parts of the heat, as you're first going around, the different portions of the year, different parts because there is an axis, it's different parts of the heat that will generate that force. Right, that's another good idea because there is an axis of the world, and all these things that all need to force, now all these have the same things, so the hand it goes through the motion of a season type thing, that took work to Jesus, which is the regenerating force. Right, but you do see the logic where if it works one way, it can work the other way, and it's more reasonable as working the unconventional way because the moon's not turning, and that also explains why it can speed up and slow down. Okay. All right, during this IGY year, the International Geophysical Year, there was a team of scientists under the direction of James A. Van Allen, who was an American physicist at the University of Iowa. now, what they discovered is with the thing of this side, okay, we can use the old word again, you know, thank you, you know, you need to tell me not one university has come up with this theory, say, all those, oh, do they? They're in on their fraud. No, they're in on their job and their government grants, which they lose, but they don't. It's all about money, no vision, follow the night. You can't buy everybody, but you can buy most people. What you can't buy, you don't deal with them. Why they don't deal with us? The rest of the world says because the people who have positions don't deal with us, we have no credibility. Okay, these scientists during those geophysical years, with the Voyager, excuse me, with the Vanguard satellite projects, what they did is they kept shooting up rockets and satellites and Geiger counters in them, and they discovered that there was this belt around the earth here that was accredited to the James A. Van Allen, and that's why we know them as the Van Allen Belt. Now, what this is, is it starts at 600 miles out from the globe here, and up to 25,000 miles, as memory says, 40,000 miles, that what is causing this is the radiation from the sun hitting the magnetic lines of force of the earth, is within those magnetic lines, it creates an ionized field of charged ions, and they attribute that to the Van Allen bill, and they also, they call it a plasma, and a plasma is a charged particle. Now, one of the significant factors of plasma is that it has a very high, it has a very high conductivity of electricity. As a matter of fact, they say it's even better than copper, and so here we have around the earth here, a giant, I mean, essentially, a giant metal band, because there's no, there's no difference between the conductivity of metal and plasma, so if you know anything about electricity and currents, when you have a current, you know, the left-hand rule, I believe they call it, wherever you have magnetism, motion, or electricity, you have a current, so there's many, many thousands of amperes flowing through these, through these, through the Van Allen belt, and they discovered that there's high radiation, and it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be a place I really want to go, you know what I mean? Well, the shorter turn must have an effect somewhere, if you have a shorter turn on the transformer, there's a light, each area. That's true. And to get that, I warmed up upstairs. Well, this is at a higher level than what we were talking about. That's it for today, folks. You only heard one hour of a two-hour lecture, and that's all you're going to hear on this broadcast, or any other broadcast, for that matter. Listen for the announcement of availability of audio and videotapes of the 97 conference. You're going to want to get as much as you possibly can. Those of you who did not attend, you missed a tremendously educational and entertaining and social experience that you just can't get anywhere else in the whole wide world. Good night, folks. God bless each and every single one of you. This is The Voice Oak Rita. Thank you. Thank you. The Voice You're listening to the Worldwide Freedom Radio Network. Be sure and tune in at 6 Pacific, 9 Eastern, for Quest for Health with Michael Cottingham. And later, 8 Pacific, 11 Eastern, for the rerun of today's broadcast of the Hour of the Time. And all in between, ladies and gentlemen, all oldies most of the time. Only the very best of the very best music of generations gone by. Right here, on the Worldwide Freedom Radio Network. This is my daddy's station. I'm Pooh, plastic radio like you always wished it could be. 101.1 FM, eager. 101.1 FM is owned and operated by the Independence Foundation Trust as a non-profit community service. Take out the papers and the trash, or you don't get no busy cash. If you don't drive like you drive, you ain't gonna rock and roll no more. Don't go back. Just finish cleaning up your room. Let's do that, let's go with that room. Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to help yourself and help the Worldwide Freedom Radio Network continue to expand its program, then you need to call Southwest International Trading. ask how you can get your hands on Economic Security Pack number one or number two. Do it now. Call 1-800-295-2432. And by the way, we're committed, ladies and gentlemen, Southwest International Trading and the Worldwide Freedom Radio Network to making precious metals in their various different forms, whichever form you particularly prefer, at the very lowest possible price. So if you have other precious metals needs, besides those that we offer over the air, call Southwest International Trading at 1-800-295-2432. We will do the very best to give you exactly what you want at the very lowest price. And remember, every dollar spent with Southwest International Trading helps to fund the Worldwide Freedom Radio Network. If you'd like to lower your long-distance phone charges, call Connie at 520-333-4578 between 9 a.m. and 1 p.m. Pacific, daylight time, Monday through Friday. And she'll answer your questions and tell you how we can lower your long-distance phone charges to only 10 cents a minute, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year, as long as you remain a customer. And the monthly phone calls and 3, 4, 8, 3, 1 p.m. 2, soi- referm. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.