Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:04 AM]
hello j4dogs we are limited production due to budget constraints but doing out best
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:05 AM]
Is the network up?
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:05 AM]
no, and you can thank @Oleg for that per my youtube videos
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:05 AM]
however, the network is now everyone’s to operate since release of CHG 3.0 code as fully open source
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:05 AM]
what we really lack is an instruction manual
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:06 AM]
if I could find the funds to hire someone to reverse engineer the code, we could easily get back on track
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:06 AM]
but as Oleg is most probably bought and paid for by big oil or the like, we are in a holding pattern until market improves enough to free up funds
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:07 AM]
or if people keep on pressuring @Oleg to release the instruction manual
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:07 AM]
it doesn’t matter who makes the instruction manual, but without it we have code but no manual
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:08 AM]
Is it a python code?
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:09 AM]
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:10 AM]
javascript, solidity mostly
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:10 AM]
Javascript yikes
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:10 AM]
sorry?
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:11 AM]
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:11 AM]
I can’t help with javascript too messy imho
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:11 AM]
it’s ideal for the application - open source being the operant mode
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:11 AM]
really it’s a funding problem
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:12 AM]
project hasn’t had renewed funding source in 7 years
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:12 AM]
you know, I can’t work for free forever 
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:13 AM]
Nor should you
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:13 AM]
but I think the goal is realized - our code and/or primitives was utilized by FSN, HEX
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:13 AM]
others
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:13 AM]
our code is open source and can be picked up by anyone else too
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:14 AM]
CHG 3.0, or web 4.0, is about fully distributed coin minting
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:14 AM]
there are over 2 million coins now
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:14 AM]
It’s not just code, it is implementing and supporting
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:14 AM]
the next problems to solve - distributed ISP, distributed energy, and most difficult to solve is the broadcast problem, or countering censorship
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:15 AM]
And marketing
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:15 AM]
yes, if I had a wish it would be to spearhead web 4.0, but unfortunately given the constraints I think someone else will do this
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:15 AM]
yes, marketing very important
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:15 AM]
the broadcast problem
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:16 AM]
Oh that is something I might be able to help with my other side hustle
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:17 AM]
https://x.com/stealthmachines
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:17 AM]
It is also experiencing a lot of roadblocks to success
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:17 AM]
as you can see, even my own side hustle is heavily censored, Elon and friends don’t appear to like me very much 
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:17 AM]
tell me more?
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:18 AM]
Have you heard about onpassive?
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:18 AM]
I am one of the founding members
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:18 AM]
no, tell me more
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:19 AM]
Basically it is digital marketing, ai with a heart
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:20 AM]
You get a social network (similar to facebook in its early days) an analytics tool
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:21 AM]
how does it solve the drowning in the noise problem?
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:21 AM]
And a great videoconference platform. Planned are also CRM, a course platform, fundraising and more
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:22 AM]
It is promising to be scam free and censorship free but that remains to be seen
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:23 AM]
Can you elaborate?
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:23 AM]
yes, understanding what you are up against
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:24 AM]
Facebook, all other major social media are owned by very big government funded players
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:24 AM]
drowning in the noise - you can scream as loud as you want in the wind, and nobody will hear you without $$
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:25 AM]
and of course if $$ is what drives marketing or broadcasting capability, we have a two-tiered social media society
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:25 AM]
how does the little man have his voice heard?
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:25 AM]
Yes so this platform is funded by about a million founders and not by the same big corporates
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:26 AM]
well that’s good
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:26 AM]
but how does this conglomerate give social media back to ‘the people’?
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:26 AM]
as in the glory days of MySpace, which as it turns out really was organic and grassroots
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:26 AM]
In fact these corporations try to take it down by unlawfully holding funds
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:27 AM]
By not shadowbanning
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:27 AM]
of course, that’s good
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:27 AM]
If you open a club, as they call it, the club members will see your posts
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:27 AM]
but in order to prevent such a thing, this must be hardwired into the communication protocol
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:28 AM]
yes, I’ve seen that POA is actually the root of censorship-resistant
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:28 AM]
You still have to get your club members to join your club
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:28 AM]
proof of authority
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:29 AM]
because my information is important, but only to the people who want to hear my information, as in the case of a club
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:29 AM]
and making sure that anyone can find my club
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:29 AM]
I’ve been poking at two ideas which might help you
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:30 AM]
- Why compete with Facebook? Develop a ‘skin’ over top of facebook
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:30 AM]
So you can do a webinar with a cta to join your club
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:31 AM]
this skin can have custom themes - maybe the user would like to see a medieval theme, or perhaps today they would like a star wars theme
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:31 AM]
And it is single sign on, so you only have one profile across products
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:31 AM]
it’s powered by facebook, but the skin is powered locally and therefore hardwired locally
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:32 AM]
2) A Censorship Solution Learning from the Re-Streaming Phenomenon (doot doot do do doot)
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:32 AM]
you don’t want to compete with Facebook, you’ll lose
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:33 AM]
rather, you want to become like a benign virus on facebook, whereby facebook powers it but your overlay completely changes the nature of facebook
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:33 AM]
I disagree. Facebook is the problem.
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:33 AM]
and very important, there has to be an irreducible element of random
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:33 AM]
yes, as I said, you must be the virus to facebook
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:33 AM]
don’t compete with them, use them
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:34 AM]
censorship can only be solved by randomly showing a user new clubs
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:34 AM]
and this random must not be controllable
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:34 AM]
have you heard of stumble upon?
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:35 AM]
No
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:35 AM]
Have you heard of Omegle?
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:35 AM]
https://www.omegle.com/
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:35 AM]
Heard the names
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:35 AM]
these platforms were killed because they are the virus
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:35 AM]
What are they?
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:36 AM]
they incorporate an element of random
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:36 AM]
a user is shown a certain element of random
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:36 AM]
there is something that nobody can control
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:36 AM]
stumble upon the user is randomly shown a new website each button click
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:37 AM]
Omegle a user is randomly introduced to a new user
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:37 AM]
this is the anti-venom to ‘echo chamber’
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:38 AM]
but again these platforms were killed by the powers that be, or in the case of stumble upon bought and paid for
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:38 AM]
the protocol must be decentralized
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:38 AM]
the protocol has to be an overlay as distinct from a stand-alone platform which quickly and again devolves into the same problem we had in the first place
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:39 AM]
the protocol must also incorporate the element of random, hardwired, so that something fresh always has the chance to capture a user’s interest
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:40 AM]
actually the real problem becomes in this case a user doesn’t want to see porn or violence, for example, but then this is subjective
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:40 AM]
and of course if a platform ‘protects’ the user from porn or violence this subjective rule quickly devolves into censorship all over again
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:41 AM]
so the users must retain hardwired control over this filter, this is where POA comes in all over again
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:41 AM]
I know myself best, and my friends know me pretty well too, my friends sort of help me filter out the porn
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:42 AM]
don’t leave this up to an overlord or it devolves
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:43 AM]
Who is going to fund this?
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:43 AM]
this is only an idea, I thought you were funding this project
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:43 AM]
No
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:43 AM]
but an overlay this is old technology
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:43 AM]
have you heard of frames as in html?
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:44 AM]
Yes
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:44 AM]
the CHG platform is actually based on frames -
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:44 AM]
That is ancient technology
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:44 AM]
yes
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:44 AM]
https://hub.zchg.org/stats
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:44 AM]
you’ll have to use some imagination, it’s supposed to display https://stats.zchg.org website inside of website
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:45 AM]
but this is where we use frames
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:45 AM]
this is the principle of skinning
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:45 AM]
every user’s experience is custom to their desires
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:46 AM]
facebook is aware of this actually they are starting to use themes to retain their audience
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:47 AM]
but of course if you use facebook’s themes you’re still locked into their platform
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:47 AM]
the skin must be 3rd party
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:48 AM]
better example - Charg App this is two websites but the users sees only one website
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:50 AM]
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:50 AM]
as an aside, my roomate in college, his dad was very powerful CIA, so I knew very early on that facebook was always CIA
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:51 AM]
if you want to defeat such an institution, you must have a benign trojan horse
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:51 AM]
kindly pay attention, this isn’t my interest but I do know something about it
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:52 AM]
I would be happy to consult your team on the subject
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:54 AM]
it’s called the wal-mart effect all of the technologies are merging into one store for all user experience, even AOL was attempting to lock everyone into their platform back in the day - one website to rule them all, ecosystem to rule them all, the antidote is a benign virus per my architecture ^
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:55 AM]
as you’ve touched on CRM, webinars, CTA, etc. etc. that’s why everyone needs to host their own page(s), powered by web 4.0
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:56 AM]
I’m more interested in the distributed ISP, distributed energy, that’s what’s cool to me
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:56 AM]
Yes I know opensource is the ideal but you do use some tools which aren’t to your advantage
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:57 AM]
tell me more
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:59 AM]
Really
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 9:59 AM]
sorry?
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 9:59 AM]
Is it a language barrier? Idk
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:00 AM]
I understand what you are saying but what tools?
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:01 AM]
Could be as simple as graphic design apps or as complex as other businesses I rely on
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:02 AM]
brother, even the overlords are slaves
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:02 AM]
everyone wants to be the ‘one platform to rule them all’
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:02 AM]
That is not the point
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:03 AM]
you have to be willing to give it all away from the start, or you’re just the new wal-mart
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:03 AM]
You don’t have to be the wal mart in order to buy a light bulb at wal mart
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:04 AM]
yes, and you shouldn’t shop at wal mart if your friend sells light bulbs in his garage
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:05 AM]
Well does he? And maybe he does but he lives in another state would you drive a thousand miles to buy from him?
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:06 AM]
Meanwhile your important life project is stuck
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:06 AM]
exactly. The user experience must be seamless,
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:06 AM]
I’m saying pick your battles
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:06 AM]
listen j4dogs I’m a marked man
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:06 AM]
I’ve had my work stolen
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:07 AM]
this is the trojan horse
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:07 AM]
let them steal it
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:07 AM]
imbue the virus in your work
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:07 AM]
You can’t fight everybody all the time
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:07 AM]
am I here to make $$?
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:07 AM]
am I here to give the world the benign virus?
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:07 AM]
https://nightshade.cs.uchicago.edu/whatis.html
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:08 AM]
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:09 AM]
Well you aren’t here to lose $$ being poor is not a virtue. Money in the hands of good people is a wonderful thing.
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:09 AM]
if they steal my work one or two times, it’s a tragedy
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:09 AM]
if they keep coming back to steal my work, who owns the trim tab?
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:10 AM]
the trim tab steers the entire ship
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:10 AM]
it’s a virus.
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:11 AM]
I lost your train of thought.
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:12 AM]
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:14 AM]
What I get is that you are not interested in exploring other platforms
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:14 AM]
Something hit me very hard once, thinking about what one little man could do. Think of the Queen Mary—the whole ship goes by and then comes the rudder. And there’s a tiny thing at the edge of the rudder called a trim tab.
It’s a miniature rudder. Just moving the little trim tab builds a low pressure that pulls the rudder around. Takes almost no effort at all. So I said that the little individual can be a trim tab. Society thinks it’s going right by you, that it’s left you altogether. But if you’re doing dynamic things mentally, the fact is that you can just put your foot out like that and the whole big ship of state is going to go.
So I said, call me Trim Tab.
— Buckminster Fuller
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:15 AM]
You think you can hack facebook somehow
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:16 AM]
Nobody is on the facebook anymore only old people like me. It is a sinking ship
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:16 AM]
of course it’s a sinking ship everything CIA touches dies
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:17 AM]
no, I am aware that I cannot hack facebook. I am aware that I cannot compete with Facebook. But what I can do is plant the seeds of ideas. Either good people steal my idea, or bad people, either way my ideas make it somewhere.
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:18 AM]
Would I, personally, like to make some widget one day that no large conglomerate attempts to compete with to enrich myself and my family personally, of course! But then the wal-mart effect dictates the machine wants that also. We must first cure the virus with a virus.
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:18 AM]
Alright I want to show you a tool to spread your ideas farther. It isn’t open source but isn’t corrupt either.
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:18 AM]
if you say so
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:18 AM]
and I hope it grows into something wonderful that helps everyone grow
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:19 AM]
I love learning new things, please do show me
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:20 AM]
Https://o-trim.co/mail4free
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:21 AM]
You can start from there. The social network is free to join and use
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:23 AM]
Let me know what you liked and disliked
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:23 AM]
ok I am looking
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:23 AM]
where do you see me fitting into this equation?
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:26 AM]
I see you opening a CHG club and hosting webinars about CHG and other projects you are leading
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:29 AM]
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:29 AM]
There are people from Africa and Asia who could benefit from CHG and you might be able to reach them via O-net (the social network)
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:30 AM]
LOL
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:30 AM]
Woof
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:34 AM]
now if I could take your platform and access all my other platforms from it, why would I ever leave your platform?
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:34 AM]
You won’t?
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:36 AM]
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:36 AM]
Is that the wal-mart effect? Well it is bad if it is in the wrong hands
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:37 AM]
Just as you access all your apps from your phone or all your websites from your OS on your laptop
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:39 AM]
To fight it you will have to build your own custom opensource phone and access websites you selfhost on custom opensource webservers you built by yourself
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:39 AM]
And even then if you ever need a banking website or to file your taxes then…
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:40 AM]
So you only use crypto and live on an island with no taxes
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:41 AM]
I don’t think it is feasible. Maybe.
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:42 AM]
Is it worth it though?
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:42 AM]
maybe you are beginning to see, it’s not feasible for any one entity to build anything
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:42 AM]
maybe to make a quick buck
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:42 AM]
but to defeat the machine, you must be a trim tab so that others might see and collaborate
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:43 AM]
a seed, or idea, has much more leverage than any man or even company, but its growth appears at first small
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:44 AM]
in fact it is exponential growth with the correct nutrients and other factors
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:44 AM]
True
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:44 AM]
you know, in my country the US Constitution defeated taxes but only temporarily
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:45 AM]
because it was not engrained in the protocol, there were quickly loopholes
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:46 AM]
a cultural shift is also necessary, so that I can sell you my lightbulbs out of my garage instead of wal mart
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:46 AM]
the wal mart effect means every platform is really developing towards the same
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:47 AM]
although CHG has nothing to do with social network, by definition it will evolve towards social media, or all the other techs
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:47 AM]
Because it makes good business sense
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:47 AM]
and yes, as with any tech it can be used for good or for evil
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:47 AM]
you know, for most of humanity we used trade and barter
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:48 AM]
coin is a relatively new concept
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:49 AM]
Yes but it has an inherent issue that maybe only neurocomputing can solve
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:49 AM]
nobody likes counting beans, but nobody also likes having their beans counted forcefully
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:49 AM]
KISS
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:49 AM]
Not that
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:49 AM]
solve one problem
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:49 AM]
(keep it simple, stupid)
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:50 AM]
I am poor because I give it all away, I am provisioned always and never hungry because I give it all away, I am a rich man with wonderful family
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:51 AM]
The issue is that I don’t need a lightbulb right now and you don’t want a foot massage right now so the market doesn’t clear
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:51 AM]
But if you would make a barter chain long enough with enough actors it will clear
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:51 AM]
that’s an interesting and correct introspection
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:52 AM]
this is the dilution problem
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:52 AM]
So the issue is partial knowledge and accessibility
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:52 AM]
screaming into the wind
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:52 AM]
goes back to censorship
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:53 AM]
But in the digital realm it is possible to get digital products and services from anyone at anytime
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:54 AM]
yes
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:54 AM]
if all I want is a tire I will choose the most efficient means to pay for only a tire
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:55 AM]
lots of momentum behind the dollar even though I lose purchasing power every day I hold it
j4dogs, [6/12/2024 10:56 AM]
This is going nowhere
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:57 AM]
well you’re right
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:57 AM]
and it’s reached a Plateau
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:58 AM]
I think you might find CHG is not the only coin in a holding pattern, waiting for market to change
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:58 AM]
if market went 10x again many legitimate coins would be ready for the next step
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:58 AM]
we are in a holding pattern
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:58 AM]
the powers that be will pin down the price of silver as long as possible
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:58 AM]
we are simply waiting sometimes
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:59 AM]
if you held ceaser’s coin, would you give it up?
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 10:59 AM]
or would you make 2 million fake coins to trick everyone out of the legitimate coins?
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 11:00 AM]
the dragon will have new life when the price goes up, but so will the alternative coins
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 11:00 AM]
the dragon is strangling us and we must hang on. The dragon strangles itself, the dragon holds us all itself included under the water and holds its breath.
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 11:00 AM]
hey, there’s one now! lol
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 11:01 AM]
it might not be CHG which hangs on the longest, it might be another coin like ours which could hang on a little longer during this time, we are in a holding pattern
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 11:01 AM]
thank you j4dogs I always enjoy our discussions and I hope we have each planted a seed of information for one another
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 11:02 AM]
Josef Kulovany, [6/12/2024 11:02 AM]
(holding pattern)
